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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon MMC

    At the very least, this female suicide bomber that ISIS has been trying to retrieve should be publicly executed by whatever means is available under Jordanian law. Otherwise, she will continue to be used as a bargaining chip.
    The U.S. should not allow jihadist war criminals to shelter in cities like Raqqa and Mosul. I am sure there are quite a few jihadist targets the U.S. has identified in these and other cities, but that it has decided not to bomb for fear of causing civilian casualties. That is a dangerous mistake, because it concedes to the jihadists a more-or-less permanent safe haven. If civilians are killed in the course of attacking war criminals who are sheltering among them, it is not the attackers who are responsible for their deaths under the laws of war, but the war criminals.

    I have thought all along that the precision of modern weapons, and the eagerness to trumpet it as proof of how civilized and humane this country is, has worked against us. It has made very clear to Islamic jihadists that we are less concerned with destroying them than we are with preventing casualties among civilians. Apparently the hope is this exquisite caution will cause the "good" Muslims to realize how nice we Americans are and take our side. But if many of those people are more or less sympathetic to the jihadists, they will take this as nothing but weakness--a sign we are not determined to destroy our sworn enemies. They should be disabused of this idea--dramatically, and soon.

    Of course I am not calling for intentional targeting of civilians--that is a war crime. But we should never rule any jihadist target in or near a city off limits just because bombing it might incidentally kill civilians. It is very dangerous for the U.S. to fight these people so half-heartedly, letting them keep control of whole cities. They have even more resources than the jihadists who attacked on 9/11 had to hatch that plot, and we are letting them have a sanctuary as safe as what they enjoyed in Afghanistan fifteen years ago. President Pinprick acts as if there were no urgent need to destroy these jihadists, and his nonchalance and fecklessness are putting Americans at risk of another major terrorist attack on our soil.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Jordan has pretty good ties with the Arab League - I'm wondering if this will start nudging the league to start wanting to deal with ISIS. Let's see...

    Nah.....I don't think they will. Not unless ISIS comes at them directly.



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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Instead of putting hackers in jail, why not hack their accounts and start an internal war? Why not introduce some malware in the whole middle east network and shut them down now and then.

    Wreak havoc any way you can, fight them where they are not and never show weakness....art of war
    The thing I am talking about doing is attacking the unity of ISIS as an country.

    I don't think that the followers of ISIS have enough in common to survive potential infighting.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Instead of putting hackers in jail, why not hack their accounts and start an internal war? Why not introduce some malware in the whole middle east network and shut them down now and then.

    Wreak havoc any way you can, fight them where they are not and never show weakness....art of war
    That is already being done.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The U.S. should not allow jihadist war criminals to shelter in cities like Raqqa and Mosul. I am sure there are quite a few jihadist targets the U.S. has identified in these and other cities, but that it has decided not to bomb for fear of causing civilian casualties. That is a dangerous mistake, because it concedes to the jihadists a more-or-less permanent safe haven. If civilians are killed in the course of attacking war criminals who are sheltering among them, it is not the attackers who are responsible for their deaths under the laws of war, but the war criminals.

    I have thought all along that the precision of modern weapons, and the eagerness to trumpet it as proof of how civilized and humane this country is, has worked against us. It has made very clear to Islamic jihadists that we are less concerned with destroying them than we are with preventing casualties among civilians. Apparently the hope is this exquisite caution will cause the "good" Muslims to realize how nice we Americans are and take our side. But if many of those people are more or less sympathetic to the jihadists, they will take this as nothing but weakness--a sign we are not determined to destroy our sworn enemies. They should be disabused of this idea--dramatically, and soon.

    Of course I am not calling for intentional targeting of civilians--that is a war crime. But we should never rule any jihadist target in or near a city off limits just because bombing it might incidentally kill civilians. It is very dangerous for the U.S. to fight these people so half-heartedly, letting them keep control of whole cities. They have even more resources than the jihadists who attacked on 9/11 had to hatch that plot, and we are letting them have a sanctuary as safe as what they enjoyed in Afghanistan fifteen years ago. President Pinprick acts as if there were no urgent need to destroy these jihadists, and his nonchalance and fecklessness are putting Americans at risk of another major terrorist attack on our soil.
    If every citizen in an city aligned themselves with terrorists, then the city is fair game.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What does it say about Muslims who burn other Muslims then?
    It says that those Muslims want to deny their enemies heaven.

    But it doesn't need to go so far. You can simply burn the bodies of ISIS soldiers killed in battle and get the same point across. But then a Radical Islamic Militant isn't a Muslim only until you desecrate their body in the eyes of Allah.

    Flashback: The same president who now declares that Islamic Radicals are not Muslims was quick to point out that Osama Bin Laden's body was given "proper Muslim ceremony" when buried at sea?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The thing I am talking about doing is attacking the unity of ISIS as an country.

    I don't think that the followers of ISIS have enough in common to survive potential infighting.

    How does that affect those who became part of them in Libya, Afghanistan, Algeria, Tunisia, and in the Sinai?

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How does that affect those who became part of them in Libya, Afghanistan, Algeria, Tunisia, and in the Sinai?
    Is it really allegiance, or is it opportunism?

    Without strong leadership, the different groups within ISIS will start fighting amongst themselves.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It says that those Muslims want to deny their enemies heaven.

    But it doesn't need to go so far. You can simply burn the bodies of ISIS soldiers killed in battle and get the same point across. But then a Radical Islamic Militant isn't a Muslim only until you desecrate their body in the eyes of Allah.

    Flashback: The same president who now declares that Islamic Radicals are not Muslims was quick to point out that Osama Bin Laden's body was given "proper Muslim ceremony" when buried at sea?
    Was our fight with Osama bin laden motivated by what the man did? Or was it also about his religion?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If every citizen in an city aligned themselves with terrorists, then the city is fair game.
    It would be even if many of the inhabitants of a city did not support them. That is exactly why it was not a war crime, for example, for the RAF to kill tens of thousands of civilians by bombing military targets in Hamburg, or for the U.S. to kill even more a few years later by bombing military targets in Tokyo. Certainly some of the people killed--children, for example--did not support the evil regimes involved.

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