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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Perhaps. However if the death is seen as a flashpoint by Jordan which accelerates their people to enter the fight with ISIS, it will be greater, since the beheadings of other countries citizens did not motivate Jordan. Apparently, this Jordanian pilots death has done just that.
    Jordan was in the fight already, it's precisely why this pilot was captured and subsequently killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    By setting a prisoner on fire? You call that fighting?

    Brave little soldiers they are...
    Perhaps they're no braver than the little soldiers killing both alleged enemy combatants and innocent civilians using PD's from the comfort and security of their BOO in Florida or elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Especially all those innocent, harmless, all-male weddings that feature, for some reason, large numbers of arms cache's....
    Yes, it was the children killed at those weddings and funerals that were stowing the arms. I suppose you're now arguing those weddings and funerals were legitimate targets, much as Germany argued that the Lusitania was a legitimate target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    https://twitter.com/salar_dd

    Looks like the Jordanians aren't wasting any time.
    Is that confirmed? And how many of those 55 were civilians? In your link I see a post that Turkish Special Forces have raided Kurdish villages and killed babies and blamed it on the PKK!!!! Seems these things happen everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    If I understand your abbreviations right, you are asserting the U.S. is committing war crimes by killing ten civilians for every "alleged (key word there)" Islamic jihadist it kills in a drone attack. I doubt you can support that assertion with evidence--and the fact you make it suggests how eager you are to slander this country.

    Once again, I'd like to recommend an excellent book by Andy McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who led the prosecution of Omar Abdel "The Blind Sheikh" Rahman for leading the conspirators who bombed the World Trade Center the first time, in February, 1993. The title is "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America."
    Are you slandering your country by claiming that the left is sabotaging America?

    Five years ago, on January 23 2009, a CIA drone flattened a house in Pakistan’s tribal regions. It was the third day of Barack Obama’s presidency, and this was the new commander-in-chief’s first covert drone strike.

    Initial reports said up to ten militants were killed, including foreign fighters and possibly a ‘high-value target’ – a successful first hit for the fledgling administration.

    But reports of civilian casualties began to emerge. As later reports revealed, the strike was far from a success. At least nine civilians died, most of them from one family. There was one survivor, 14-year-old Fahim Qureshi, but with horrific injuries including shrapnel wounds in his stomach, a fractured skull and a lost eye, he was as much a victim as his dead relatives.

    Later that day, the CIA attacked again – and levelled another house. It proved another mistake, this time one that killed between five and ten people, all civilians.

    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...ks-five-years/

    41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ikes-kill-1147

    The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%.

    The report accuses Washington of misrepresenting drone strikes as "a surgically precise and effective tool that makes the U.S. safer," saying that in reality, "there is significant evidence that U.S. drone strikes have injured and killed civilians."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/world/...drone-strikes/
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    Despite drone proponents’ assertions that drones are more precise and thus less likely to cause civilian casualties, a new study finds that the unmanned strikes killed ten times more Afghani civilians than manned aircraft.

    The study was conducted by U.S. military advisors Larry Lewis from the Center for Naval Analyses and Sarah Holewinsk of the Center for Civilians in Conflict. The pair studied air strikes in Afghanistan from mid-2010 to mid-2011 — regarded as one of the heightened periods of the air warfare in the region — using classified military information for research on the civilian casualties caused by the attacks. Through their analysis, according to The Guardian, Lewis and Holewinsk found that “the missile strikes conducted by remotely piloted aircraft, commonly known as drones, were 10 times more deadly to Afghan civilians than those performed by fighter jets.”

    Drone Strikes Kill Ten Times More Civilians Than Manned Aircraft, New Study Says | Mediaite
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, it was the children killed at those weddings and funerals that were stowing the arms
    Indeed. All of those poor, poor, 18-24 year old children, innocently playing with their RPGs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Indeed. All of those poor, poor, 18-24 year old children, innocently playing with their RPGs...
    The world learned in December that a U.S. drone strike in Yemen killed numerous wedding-goers as they made their way to a young couple's celebration.

    Another local's words remind us that the dead and the people who lost family members aren't the only victims, and that the horror wrought by this drone strike goes on: "We live in fear day and night," he said. "Our children and women cannot sleep.” His words echo the findings of a report on drones by the law clinics at NYU and Stanford, which discovered communities living in terror of U.S. strikes.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...uneral/282936/
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Having just seen the ISIS video of the burning of this Jordanian pilot, I can see why it took almost a month for it to be released. We're not talking here about a 2 minute rough clip of a beheading. This is a 23 minute short film, a propaganda piece at its finest, and had it been presented at a film festival or for Oscar consideration it might well have won an award. This is a very polished and professional piece.

    We need to get very serious about what's happening in Syria and Iraq right now - this ISIS endeavour is very well organized and appears to be very well financed. This is no Junior Varsity exercise, as someone famously and foolishly once said. This is, as my Canadian Prime Minister said, ISIS declaring war on us, all of us. We'd better wake up to that reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Having just seen the ISIS video of the burning of this Jordanian pilot, I can see why it took almost a month for it to be released. We're not talking here about a 2 minute rough clip of a beheading. This is a 23 minute short film, a propaganda piece at its finest, and had it been presented at a film festival or for Oscar consideration it might well have won an award. This is a very polished and professional piece.

    We need to get very serious about what's happening in Syria and Iraq right now - this ISIS endeavour is very well organized and appears to be very well financed. This is no Junior Varsity exercise, as someone famously and foolishly once said. This is, as my Canadian Prime Minister said, ISIS declaring war on us, all of us. We'd better wake up to that reality.
    Consequences!!!!!!! Hard to put that genie back into the bottle.

    Former U.S. President George W. Bush has claimed that the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militant group is his only regret about invading Iraq in 2003.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-invasion.html
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