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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Where in there is the face of democracy?

    Is the American brand so fragile it cannot be displayed and used as its own propaganda tool?

    Look, at the end of WWII it was a mess what to do with war criminals who weren't really war criminals because they slaughtered civilians. A great controversy ensued across the world, kill them in the ovens they built was one cry, someone actually got around to constructing a guillotine in France to deal with "colaborateur des trevail"...

    But American, the commonwealth and others insisted democracy could and would deal with it. Each of the thousands were hunted [some still are] charged, TRIED in a court of law and punished.

    Now, we are becoming them, we torture like they do [pain compliance of any kind is torture and water boarding is pain compliance], we are arresting without warrant, imprisoning without due process and make a lot of mistakes. at the same time, they see not only the same hypocrisy we do in them but failure, they can boast "hey, Achmed, we killed an American ambassador and some marines and got away without a scratch. Let's kill some babies and really drive them nuts."

    The "war" has been wage badly, is more political football for domestic consumption in the game of who can twist the truth better, and has no end in sight.


    As Einstein said "one form of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results." And the US has been doing this since 1961.


    In with the soft power, and dealing with other countries leaders.....and again this is not just a US Problem.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Neither of which is happening....

    and yes, counter intelligence AT HOME needs to be in there...

    I will add this...they need to demand of their leadership an effective campaign.....

    While Obama and co play mind games with the voters, the enemy [s] see weakness and are exploiting the **** out of it. You cannot pretend that an Ambassador wasn't killed by terrorists for personal political gain and expect respect from the opponent. Hockey players like that get stapled to the ice once and for all. You cannot simply let the matter drop], let the assassins get away and expect them to go back to sleep...

    You cannot pull out before the job is done and then argue the niceties at home and expect soldiers like these to fear you. You cannot run around playing games with words about what is "radical" or "Islam" while these ****s are making feature films burning people alive.

    I still, perhaps being a romantic, go back to the America I was taught in high school, about the constitution and yes, it is not fair we have to fight with one hand tied behind our back, but we do because we're better than they are. I still come back to the America you did not ever **** with, drop some bombs on an Island and wipe out half our navy? Watch this Kojo.

    They get away with mediocrity because the American people let them while having had the country's true greatness stifled amid "gimme" politics and some strange idea that "no we can't, without government help"
    That part in bold is one of the keys.

    There can be no question in our minds that the Islamists have declared war on us and all others who might oppose them. Whether we choose to call it "war" or "terrorism" or "criminal acts" is immaterial. We ARE at war and the ONLY way to fight a war is to crush your enemy until their will to fight is gone. We can not win if we define "victory" as some set of half measures. If we fight only to stick a fork in the eye of our enemy and then hope that they "see the light" after we leave the battlefield we will never achieve victory. After we crush the enemy we need to maintain control of the power vacuum that military victory creates until ideological victory becomes self sustaining.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    What insults? You quoted me...there is no insult in there. I told you that you lied because you did. Please cite where I SAID I opposed them.
    Where did I lie.
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    Hillary is the only defense I or anyone else needs.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Where did I lie.
    You CLAIMED I was against drone strikes in your INITIAL reply to me. Which is a lie, because I am not against them.

    I hope that helped clear up your confusion....

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    You CLAIMED I was against drone strikes in your INITIAL reply to me. Which is a lie, because I am not against them.

    I hope that helped clear up your confusion....
    Go back to where you posted it.
    No confusion here Bucky.
    But you think you have a talent to slide away from some of your outrageous blather.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Go back to where you posted it.
    No confusion here Bucky.
    But you think you have a talent to slide away from some of your outrageous blather.
    Lol I never posted it you liar. I posted that Obama killed innocent people with drones strikes at weddings. I blamed Obama for that as he authorized it.

    Where did I say I was against drone strikes in general as you're falsly accussing me of? We will wait for you to quote it.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I just watched the video and it's really fascinating. This isn't some rookie with a GoPro filming his buddies. There was massive editing, directing and producing all the way through. Either these guys planned this whole thing from the very beginning or they want people to believe that they planned it. Furthermore, the level of crazy it takes to come up with this stuff is stunning. For example, among the images presented in the film (that's what it was. It wasn't just a video) is video of a newborn being ventilated (with one of those squeeze bags and a piece to cover your mouth and nose) but superimposed on the video was a HUD display like a jet fighter targeting the infant. Frankly, a lot of what I saw reminded me of some of the crazy stuff North Korea puts out.

    My ultimate take from the video is that ISIS isn't doing this for religious purposes. They are not the mujaheddin they would like people to believe they are and that, perhaps, they believe themselves to be. They are psychopaths. Nothing more than that. They have no concept of God or Freedom or Life. They are the embodiment of evil.

    They are Satan on earth.
    That was my take on it too. They want us to believe the pilot was killed for revenge not religion. An eye for an eye.

    I suspect the leaders of ISIS are the remnants of Saddam's Iraq Republican Guard that were disbanded after the Iraq invasion. Prior to the invasion I remember seeing a video showing a group of them tearing a dog apart with their teeth and bare hands and screaming into the camera that is what they'd do to US if they invaded. Now look at them....beheading and burning people alive. Yes, they are the epitomy of evil. It's the kind of evil intended to keep a local population compliant and provide a form of justice without having to invest in costly courts and prisons. IE: steal once, get a hand cut off....steal twice, get second hand cut off....steal three times, get head cut off. No prisons necessary, primitive but effective...and evil.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That part in bold is one of the keys.

    There can be no question in our minds that the Islamists have declared war on us and all others who might oppose them. Whether we choose to call it "war" or "terrorism" or "criminal acts" is immaterial. We ARE at war and the ONLY way to fight a war is to crush your enemy until their will to fight is gone. We can not win if we define "victory" as some set of half measures. If we fight only to stick a fork in the eye of our enemy and then hope that they "see the light" after we leave the battlefield we will never achieve victory. After we crush the enemy we need to maintain control of the power vacuum that military victory creates until ideological victory becomes self sustaining.


    Imagine Roosevelt saying "This is a day that will live in infamy! But they aren't all bad."

    The older I get the more first hand irony I suffer. I am a liberal and find myself constantly referencing Republicans, but one thing GWB brought to the table was unity. When Afghanistan was invaded something like 85% of the country approved.

    Now, Americans must weed through the jungle of jargon to figure out what to call it and just who you are fighting. There is no base of unity, no single rallying point. Even discussing appropriate response now, becomes an argument about who ****ed up, Bush for going in or Obama for leaving.

    If the prevailing climate were that of 1941, America might still be arguing whether it was fair to have provoked the Japanese by having a naval base on Oahu in the first place. It seems Obama encourages that; what I used to term "smoke and mirrors politics"

    and there again, 30 plus years ago based in Parliament I watched a former goof ball actor, "right wing fascist' unify a country against its will. Maybe there is hope
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Lol I never posted it you liar. I posted that Obama killed innocent people with drones strikes at weddings. I blamed Obama for that as he authorized it.

    Where did I say I was against drone strikes in general as you're falsly accussing me of? We will wait for you to quote it.
    Bucky, you are really not worth the effort. But, another wild assed claim by you is you claiming Obama is an anti-semite and will to let his friends in Iran exterminate the Jews.
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    Hillary is the only defense I or anyone else needs.
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    Not once have I showed my dick to a woman and she thought it was creepy. In fact, in 100% of the cases, they were pretty excited about it. I don't know who you're showing your **** too.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

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