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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Let me explain.

    I am not saying that the United States and western society is directly responsible for making the message of ISIS so appealing to potential recruits.

    The kind of people who are attracted to ISIS are mainly people who have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values, or whose background knowledge of islam's history is limited.
    And again, you're not explaining how that isn't directly related to their religion and their teachings. There are almost 49 million people in the United States, as of 2013, living in poverty. I dare say that poverty in the United States is no more glamorous than poverty in France or Britain etc. And these people, living in poverty in the United States, also "have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values" and whose background knowledge of Islam's history is not limited but non-existent. Why aren't they equally attracted to ISIS? Why is it that in the United States and Canada the only ones attracted to ISIS are the recent converts to Islam if it has nothing to do with the teachings of that faith?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're hoping their brutality will intimidate the hand wringers into doing nothing.
    It is clearly working. Look at the soft responses here.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Let me explain.

    I am not saying that the United States and western society is directly responsible for making the message of ISIS so appealing to potential recruits.

    The kind of people who are attracted to ISIS are mainly people who have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values, or whose background knowledge of islam's history is limited.
    With the exception of rebellion against Western values, this is not an accurate profile of a common ISIS recruit.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    a considered response
    rather than an emotionally driven one
    No. It is time for an emotionally driven victory instead of the namby-pamby effeminate pin pricks. Of course we might have to wait until The Effeminate One on the golf course finally leaves the White House.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Or isn't it possible that they are hoping that their brutality will cause a massive and more brutal response that they will then use to incite the Muslim street worldwide?
    Let's risk it.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    We, the west, get-the-****-out. Leave. No bases, no embassy, no nothing. We stop ****ing with their governments, stop assassinating and/or replacing their leaders, stop destroying their infrastructure (such that it is), stop any and all occupation of any sort. Let them fight their own battles.

    The one thing we have not tried in over 70 years is leaving them the hell alone.
    Sure. I suppose this Holocaust is somehow different than the last one. It is time to stop this group of NAZIs the same way we stopped the last ones.

    So why do you absolve yourself from the blame of watching from the sidelines and averting your eyes? There is evil in the world. And you, whether you realize it or not, support the evil ones.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Was our fight with Osama bin laden motivated by what the man did? Or was it also about his religion?
    So Bin laden declaring a holy war against American civilians and financing mass murder wasn't in the name of his religion and God?

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And again, you're not explaining how that isn't directly related to their religion and their teachings. There are almost 49 million people in the United States, as of 2013, living in poverty. I dare say that poverty in the United States is no more glamorous than poverty in France or Britain etc. And these people, living in poverty in the United States, also "have drawn the short straw in life, are disillusioned with western values" and whose background knowledge of Islam's history is not limited but non-existent. Why aren't they equally attracted to ISIS? Why is it that in the United States and Canada the only ones attracted to ISIS are the recent converts to Islam if it has nothing to do with the teachings of that faith?
    Islam had coexisted with the west in the past.

    Maybe some people join ISIS because they are against societies that approve of religious toleration. That was what originally motivated the English puritians to leave holland and establish colonies in the new world: they did not approve of Hollands religious toleration and worried that their kids would become moderates instead of puritans.

    Am I crazy in arguing that the veiws of ISIS are a tiny minority and that not all Muslims are sucide bombers in training?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I am not arguing againist that.

    I am under no illusions that we have to fight ISIS.

    However, I think we can make the calculated decision to absorb the potential losses from suicide bombings.
    This is pure evil.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Islam had coexisted with the west in the past.

    Maybe some people join ISIS because they are against societies that approve of religious toleration. That was what originally motivated the English puritians to leave holland and establish colonies in the new world: they did not approve of Hollands religious toleration and worried that their kids would become moderates instead of puritans.
    We're just going to have to disagree here - no harm in that, and thanks for the discussion.
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