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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The point is to not give ISIS any legitimacy. Calling the beliefs of ISIS the beliefs of Islam provides the group legitimacy which it uses to attract recruits and followers.
    You go right ahead and keep giving people that are butchering men women and children no legitimacy. Thats that crazy Charlie Sheen kind of 'winning' you are doing.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Most of us hold bitter memories about how the Iraq war was sold.

    In my opinion I would rather have Prefered that we had not gone into Iraq and had instead focused on bringing the group responsible for 9/11 to justice.
    I would suggest you take it up with the congressmen who voted eagerly for that war, those still in office anyway.....

    Bush, I heard, is gone.

    The pricks who gave him creds and still get to sell their votes is who you have to complain to...Republican AND Democrat, I can't recall many who said "nay"
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Com'on, you're a reasonable guy and usually pretty sane in your arguments. But really, there is absolutely nothing that is attractive about ISIS and its brutality that isn't related to the creation of an Islamic caliphate that stretches throughout the Middle East, into Europe and beyond and these young Muslims see it as a religious calling. If you can't admit an understanding of that, there's not much else to discuss.
    ISIS is twisting history to suit its purpouse. There has never been a truly united Islamic caliphate: ethnic tensions and political infighting led to disunity and political infighting.

    And there is definitely a motivation for some people to join ISIS, and that motivation comes from believing that their current life in Europe and western society is of poor quality.

    Just to be clear, the kind of people that are attracted to ISIS are the same that were attracted to living a life like Al Capone.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I would suggest you take it up with the congressmen who voted eagerly for that war, those still in office anyway.....

    Bush, I heard, is gone.

    The pricks who gave him creds and still get to sell their votes is who you have to complain to...Republican AND Democrat, I can't recall many who said "nay"
    Bush may be gone, but the things his administration pursued as policy still exist.

    The war in Iraq in particular is somthing we are still suffering the effects of.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    ISIS is twisting history to suit its purpouse. There has never been a truly united Islamic caliphate: ethnic tensions and political infighting led to disunity and political infighting.

    And there is definitely a motivation for some people to join ISIS, and that motivation comes from believing that their current life in Europe and western society is poor.
    I'm sorry, but I'm not with you and your President on this one. I refuse to believe that I and the rest of western first world society is to blame for young Muslims wanting to blow themselves and others up for their religion or for wanting to behead innocent people, rape innocent women and children, and now burn a young man alive. That's not a function of an insufficient social welfare state. That's religious indoctrination run amok.

    According to the latest US census, there were almost 49 million people living in poverty in the United States in 2013. How many of those are out kidnapping people and beheading them? How many burning people alive?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    There is no need for the world to know every detail to satisfy their prurient interests. X was killed by ISIL. What more do you need to know to be in the light? Need photos of dead corpses? Do you goggle the vids of the beheadings?
    there is no national security interest in withholding such media, thus the press/public should be free to express what they observe and believe
    surprised you would be an easy convert to censorship
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like they will have to.....they did go Public.



    Jordan to ISIS: If you kill the pilot, we’ll execute captive terrorists.....

    Jordan has ramped up its threats to execute a terrorist whom the Islamic State wants set free if the terror group kills its captured pilot, according to a report. Jordanian officials said would-be bomber Sajida al-Rishawi and other Islamic State fighters would be “quickly judged and sentenced” if Muath al-Kaseasbeh is killed, the Daily Mail reported.

    “I have reliable contact in the Jordanian government who says a message has been passed to ISIS,” said Elijah Magnier, chief international correspondent for Kuwait’s Al Rai newspaper. “It warns that if they kill the pilot, they will implement the death sentences for Sajida and other ISIS prisoners as soon as possible. There are other prisoners in Jordan that ISIS would like to free.”.....snip~

    Jordan to ISIS: If you kill the pilot, we’ll execute captive terrorists | New York Post
    Throw them all into a garbage pit and set it ablaze.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there is no national security interest in withholding such media, thus the press/public should be free to express what they observe and believe
    surprised you would be an easy convert to censorship
    I am an easy convert to personal responsibility. I have not suggested the government ban reporting anything, only that media outlets think carefully about their decisions to delve into the nitty gritty details.

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    Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I'm sure they'd much prefer to decapitate more than one person at a time via drone or missile and thus avoid the barbarism of using a sword, but they don't have the means.
    I'm sure they would too. Do you honestly believe if we leave them alone though, that they will do the same? Do you actually think we can negotiate with them? They have been raised hating freedom. Trained to hate it. Their leaders? Whatever motivates them, is against freedom. It doesn't matter if they kill civilians. It won't matter if we leave. They want a dynasty. So pull Americans out and let the chips fall, or kill the leaders. And then leave. Don't negotiate
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Figure out if there are any weaknesses in ISIS that we can exploit.
    They are made of flesh and blood. We need to destroy their bodies and spill their blood. It is a weakness we can exploit.

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