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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Are you expecting the US to disappear? So long as we exist, ISIS will have an enemy. And if we are in retreat, they will have more recruits than they know what to do with.
    How unified is ISIS anyway?

    I bet ISIS would devolve into political infighting between rival warlords.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Or isn't it possible that they are hoping that their brutality will cause a massive and more brutal response that they will then use to incite the Muslim street worldwide?
    Any Muslim that buys into that already hated us and was on the side of the terrorists, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Germany was a sovereign nation state, and therefore the civilian deaths that occurred were inflicted both in Germany and countries that were under millitary ocupation.

    ISIS is not a nation unified by any common ethnicity or culture. ISIS is the embodiment of wielding political power through violence.
    So what? That doesn't mean we can't bomb the **** out of ISIS troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The point is to not give ISIS any legitimacy. Calling the beliefs of ISIS the beliefs of Islam provides the group legitimacy which it uses to attract recruits and followers.
    A poll last summer found that 16% of French citizens support ISIS and that rises to 27% for those 18-24.

    http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-ci...l-finds-266795

    It's hard to imagine that those supportive wouldn't be French Muslims, although I don't know that for a fact. But to suggest that a sizable number of those who believe in Islam don't also support ISIS is just ignoring reality and we've been ignoring it for far too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate your sentiment, and part of me agrees, but I don't believe it's true. I know from polling how Canadians feel at the moment and I'd be shocked if Americans didn't feel similarly.
    Most of us hold bitter memories about how the Iraq war was sold.

    In my opinion I would rather have Prefered that we had not gone into Iraq and had instead focused on bringing the group responsible for 9/11 to justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    We provide them legitimacy when we publicly associate their actions with the religion of Islam. What ISIS practices can be called many things, but Islamic is not one of them.
    Tell all their Muslim supporters that they are anything, but Islamic.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Most of us hold bitter memories about how the Iraq war was sold.

    In my opinion I would rather have Prefered that we had not gone into Iraq and had instead focused on bringing the group responsible for 9/11 to justice.
    You all are pissed off because 1) Bush was a Republican president and 2) he didn't lie about anything, afterall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    A poll last summer found that 16% of French citizens support ISIS and that rises to 27% for those 18-24.

    http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-ci...l-finds-266795

    It's hard to imagine that those supportive wouldn't be French Muslims, although I don't know that for a fact. But to suggest that a sizable number of those who believe in Islam don't also support ISIS is just ignoring reality and we've been ignoring it for far too long.
    Isis's appeal is not as simple as religious identification.

    There are other factors too. Ethnic minorities that are oppressed might be attracted to Isis's desire to overthrow the status quo. Isis's appeal may be based on the desire for adventure and oppertunity that is alluring to some countries youth. Also there are no shortage of people that are attracted by the possibility of loot, plunder, and power.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Isis's appeal is not as simple as religious identification.

    There are other factors too. Ethnic minorities that are oppressed might be attracted to Isis's desire to overthrow the status quo. Isis's appeal may be based on the desire for adventure and oppertunity that is alluring to some countries youth. Also there are no shortage of people that are attracted by the possibility of loot, plunder, and power.
    Com'on, you're a reasonable guy and usually pretty sane in your arguments. But really, there is absolutely nothing that is attractive about ISIS and its brutality that isn't related to the creation of an Islamic caliphate that stretches throughout the Middle East, into Europe and beyond and these young Muslims see it as a religious calling. If you can't admit an understanding of that, there's not much else to discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Tell all their Muslim supporters that they are anything, but Islamic.
    If the followers of ISIS were anything like their ancestors, they would appreciate the importance of merchants and traders.
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