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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair - I think you're right that people can absorb that which doesn't affect them directly. But I think we have a unique opportunity here to herd public opinion and governments to act that hasn't been the case since directly after 9/11. With the attacks in Canada, the attacks in France, the outpouring of support around the world after the Paris incidents, and now this, there's the potential to get it done. I hope we don't let it slide and then go back into complacency.
    Here is the thing: this country has been at war for 14 years, fighting an enemy that cannot be pinned down or cornered. Many people are exhausted and want to go about with their daily lives.

    It will take an terrorist attack akin to 9/11, possibly one that is worse, in order for America to commit to another war.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Or isn't it possible that they are hoping that their brutality will cause a massive and more brutal response that they will then use to incite the Muslim street worldwide?
    Ahhhhh! They brutalize Muslims so non Muslims can engage, thereby turning Muslims to their side. Brilliant! Brilliant! It CANT fail. Choose not to act...they win. Choose to act, morons claim they win.

    I guess those Muslims they are hoping that will jump to their side...they ARENT the 'real' Muslims...right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ahhhhh! They brutalize Muslims so non Muslims can engage, thereby turning Muslims to their side. Brilliant! Brilliant! It CANT fail. Choose not to act...they win. Choose to act, morons claim they win.

    I guess those Muslims they are hoping that will jump to their side...they ARENT the 'real' Muslims...right?
    The point is to not give ISIS any legitimacy. Calling the beliefs of ISIS the beliefs of Islam provides the group legitimacy which it uses to attract recruits and followers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Graphic images in general are not being presented in mainstream media due to their psychological impact, with children watching and all. So no that's not necessary. However to suggest that the media shouldn't even report on the executions is quite ridiculous.
    I never said they shouldn't report executions. I said they should stop reporting the means of execution.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I don't know that the rest of the world would view the west as weak and defeated. I don't know that we would have to confront ISIS sooner or later. Let them claim all the victory they want. The western nations bring their troops home. The western nations stop spending trillions of dollars in a ridiculous "war" that has no value. ISIS wins and has to stay in the region without the influx of money from the west. Let them be the winner.
    So the world would somehow be a better place if ISIS dominated the ME??? And you think they would stay there and not bother us?? What are you smoking??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So the world would somehow be a better place if ISIS dominated the ME??? And you think they would stay there and not bother us?? What are you smoking??
    How long can ISIS maintain its unity if there are no external enemies for it to target?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The point is to not give ISIS any legitimacy. Calling the beliefs of ISIS the beliefs of Islam provides the group legitimacy which it uses to attract recruits and followers.
    None of the potential followers of ISIS are waiting around for us to lend credibility to the movement. Only western liberals concern themselves with that sort of political correctness. These guys don't care about anything we say or do.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Here is the thing: this country has been at war for 14 years, fighting an enemy that cannot be pinned down or cornered. Many people are exhausted and want to go about with their daily lives.

    It will take an terrorist attack akin to 9/11, possibly one that is worse, in order for America to commit to another war.
    I appreciate your sentiment, and part of me agrees, but I don't believe it's true. I know from polling how Canadians feel at the moment and I'd be shocked if Americans didn't feel similarly.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How long can ISIS maintain its unity if there are no external enemies for it to target?
    Are you expecting the US to disappear? So long as we exist, ISIS will have an enemy. And if we are in retreat, they will have more recruits than they know what to do with.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    None of the potential followers of ISIS are waiting around for us to lend credibility to the movement. Only western liberals concern themselves with that sort of political correctness. These guys don't care about anything we say or do.
    We provide them legitimacy when we publicly associate their actions with the religion of Islam. What ISIS practices can be called many things, but Islamic is not one of them.
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