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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Risky, if we leave them alone now, will this make any substantial difference? So long as we refuse to convert, will this make any difference at all? Bin Laden spelled out in his open letter to the U.S. that it's convert or die.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The U.S. should not allow jihadist war criminals to shelter in cities like Raqqa and Mosul. I am sure there are quite a few jihadist targets the U.S. has identified in these and other cities, but that it has decided not to bomb for fear of causing civilian casualties. That is a dangerous mistake, because it concedes to the jihadists a more-or-less permanent safe haven. If civilians are killed in the course of attacking war criminals who are sheltering among them, it is not the attackers who are responsible for their deaths under the laws of war, but the war criminals.

    I have thought all along that the precision of modern weapons, and the eagerness to trumpet it as proof of how civilized and humane this country is, has worked against us. It has made very clear to Islamic jihadists that we are less concerned with destroying them than we are with preventing casualties among civilians. Apparently the hope is this exquisite caution will cause the "good" Muslims to realize how nice we Americans are and take our side. But if many of those people are more or less sympathetic to the jihadists, they will take this as nothing but weakness--a sign we are not determined to destroy our sworn enemies. They should be disabused of this idea--dramatically, and soon.

    Of course I am not calling for intentional targeting of civilians--that is a war crime. But we should never rule any jihadist target in or near a city off limits just because bombing it might incidentally kill civilians. It is very dangerous for the U.S. to fight these people so half-heartedly, letting them keep control of whole cities. They have even more resources than the jihadists who attacked on 9/11 had to hatch that plot, and we are letting them have a sanctuary as safe as what they enjoyed in Afghanistan fifteen years ago. President Pinprick acts as if there were no urgent need to destroy these jihadists, and his nonchalance and fecklessness are putting Americans at risk of another major terrorist attack on our soil.
    I'm glad you've tempered your views with respect to harming innocent civilians while destroying ISIS and on that basis I can much more agree with your positions as outlined above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    My hope is that with the execution of this Jordanian pilot, the silent majority of Muslims will say "Enough." Those who harbor AQ and ISIS because of tribal/kinship connections must finally denounce this barbarism and work with the civilized world.
    I hope you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm glad you've tempered your views with respect to harming innocent civilians while destroying ISIS and on that basis I can much more agree with your positions as outlined above.
    If ISIS wants to engage in a war of self-destruction, let them try to break us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And unless we go to war with those countries, we cannot simply eradicate entire cities.
    I haven't even implied that the U.S. should "eradicate entire cities," nor have I seen anyone else here imply it either. You are misstating my arguments, maybe in the hope that will add luster to your own.

    The U.S. is already making war on Iraq and Syria, as well as Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and probably other nations, just as it did with Libya a few years ago, by bombing their territories.The bombing of those nations by the U.S. is a fact, regardless of whether Congress has formally declared war on them.

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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gonna be interesting to see what Jordan's response to this is.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If ISIS wants to engage in a war of self-destruction, let them try to break us.
    I think ISIS will be waging a war of self-destruction, but with significant American weaponry rounded up in Syria and Iraq and with petro-dollars being paid by unscrupulous dealers funding them they are far better equipped than the Syrians and Iraqis in small towns and villages they're overrunning. They need our help and they deserve our help.
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I haven't even implied that the U.S. should "eradicate entire cities," nor have I seen anyone else here imply it either. You are misstating my arguments, maybe in the hope that will add luster to your own.

    The U.S. is already making war on Iraq and Syria, as well as Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and probably other nations, just as it did with Libya a few years ago, by bombing their territories.The bombing of those nations by the U.S. is a fact, regardless of whether Congress has formally declared war on them.
    All I am arguing is my stated position: only kill members of ISIS and make their positions unpalettable to potential recruits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What is it that you think that they believe in that makes them dumb?
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    Re: Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive'

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Jordan ain't scared to do what is promised. They will execute every last prisoner, probably after zapping them for information.
    and every execution will create a martyr for their cause
    now, explain how that will hurt isis
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