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    Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is reconsidering his opposition to giving Ukraine defensive weapons and other lethal aid to help its struggling military repel Russian-backed rebels, a possible escalation that has had strong support from many in his national security team.

    The shift suggests the White House is growing increasingly concerned that its reliance on punishing Russia with economic sanctions isn't doing enough to change President Vladimir Putin's thinking about backing fighters in ethnic-Russian eastern Ukraine.
    I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

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    I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.
    You seem not to realize that we are already there. Providing weapons to Ukraine would be the lesser evil, as a matter of fact, if it were not for some of the Europeans, who must learn that security does not come for free any more. But Russia has decided to go the multi-polar route of confrontation and force. This has already led and will continue to lead to smaller wars and with time to a big one, if we do not find a global way out.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

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    I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.
    Who is worth it? This is the second country that Russia has attempted to gobble up in the past 10 years or so. It's a country of 45 million individuals. They have already given up the Crimea yet Russia isn't satisfied. Putin continually creates crises in countries next to him and uses it a reason to gobble up territory.
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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You seem not to realize that we are already there. Providing weapons to Ukraine would be the lesser evil, as a matter of fact, if it were not for some of the Europeans, who must learn that security does not come for free any more. But Russia has decided to go the multi-polar route of confrontation and force. This has already led and will continue to lead to smaller wars and with time to a big one, if we do not find a global way out.
    We are not already there and we cannot win this by "going there", anyway.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine



    I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.
    Much better to let Russia proceed unfettered.
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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    We are not already there and we cannot win this by "going there", anyway.
    The direction is clear. If you really think that it is a case of staying out, read about Chamberlain. He thought peace was negotiable too.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    The State Department is busy readying a response as we speak....

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Much better to let Russia proceed unfettered.
    In the greater scheme of things, Russia mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine is a far better result than the United States being mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine. Let them have it and all of the problems that come with it. We've got bigger fish to fry, that's all I'm saying.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Ukraine, then who? Latvia? Romania? Estonia? Belarus?

    Soon, the eastern bloc will be reformed and Putin is on Germany's doorstep.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. . . . . .
    Right. Why should we keep our word?

    Fifteen years ago, on March 12, 1999, in Independence, Missouri, the first three post-communist countries, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland, joined the Atlantic Alliance. Three years later they were joined by Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

    Now that they need us, people want to throw them under the bus and cow-tow to a KGB dictator, Putin. For decades we encouraged SSR's like the Ukraine to demand their freedom. If we don't help them, then we are worthless - our word is no good.

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