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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    In the greater scheme of things, Russia mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine is a far better result than the United States being mired in the cesspool that is Ukraine. Let them have it and all of the problems that come with it. We've got bigger fish to fry, that's all I'm saying.
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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Right. Why should we keep our word?

    Fifteen years ago, on March 12, 1999, in Independence, Missouri, the first three post-communist countries, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland, joined the Atlantic Alliance. Three years later they were joined by Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

    Now that they need us, people want to throw them under the bus and cow-tow to a KGB dictator, Putin. For decades we encouraged SSR's like the Ukraine to demand their freedom. If we don't help them, then we are worthless - our word is no good.
    Do you really think this is about Ukraine "demanding their freedom"?

    Ukraine has had it's freedom for about 25 years and the result has been corruption on a shameless scale. They are flat broke and a financial black hole. What do we possibly have to gain here?

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Right. Why should we keep our word?

    Fifteen years ago, on March 12, 1999, in Independence, Missouri, the first three post-communist countries, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland, joined the Atlantic Alliance. Three years later they were joined by Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

    Now that they need us, people want to throw them under the bus and cow-tow to a KGB dictator, Putin. For decades we encouraged SSR's like the Ukraine to demand their freedom. If we don't help them, then we are worthless - our word is no good.
    The flipside of that argument is that the actions of 1999 were misguided. How would we react if Russia sent weapons into some group in Canada wanting independence?

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The flipside of that argument is that the actions of 1999 were misguided. How would we react if Russia sent weapons into some group in Canada wanting independence?
    We have muscle that they don't. For all their bluster they do not project power like we do with carrier groups, stealth planes, and rapid deployment forces.

    And besides, who gives a crap how they feel? We are a beacon of freedom to the world and they are thugs. We don't do to our neighbors what they do to theirs. There is no moral relevance between us and them. (Although I must admit, with that loser idiot Obama in the White House its getting more and more difficult to make that argument. But at this point its still basically true.)

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

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    Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine



    I seriously hope that we do not go down this road. If we start providing the Ukrainians with weapons we will be in a proxy war with Russia in no time and we will be right back to where we were a few decades ago. Ukraine isn't worth it.
    Sane foreign policy requires forethought and proactivity. All our government is currently is reactive with no forethought. Shameful really.
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    Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine
    nope. this is not what we should be spending money on.

    jobs.
    bridges.
    fix the damned roads.
    proxy war / dick measuring contest with Russia

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    nope. this is not what we should be spending money on.

    jobs.
    bridges.
    fix the damned roads.
    proxy war / dick measuring contest with Russia
    That attitude is why over 60 million people were killed in WWII, because we did not cut off Hitler's nuts at the very beginning. A good nation does not let evil destroy their neighbors.

    By the way, government spending does not create jobs, so your post is pathetic on more than one level.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    We have muscle that they don't. For all their bluster they do not project power like we do with carrier groups, stealth planes, and rapid deployment forces.

    And besides, who gives a crap how they feel? We are a beacon of freedom to the world and they are thugs. We don't do to our neighbors what they do to theirs. There is no moral relevance between us and them. (Although I must admit, with that loser idiot Obama in the White House its getting more and more difficult to make that argument. But at this point its still basically true.)
    Agree that they are no match for us militarily. That being said, not sure why we care about this, not really an ally in any sense of the word.

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    Re: Obama reconsidering lethal assistance to Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    That attitude is why over 60 million people were killed in WWII, because we did not cut off Hitler's nuts at the very beginning. A good nation does not let evil destroy their neighbors.

    By the way, government spending does not create jobs, so your post is pathetic on more than one level.
    yes, i'm aware that a certain percentage of hawks believe that not entering every single conflict on the planet = Hitler. i don't share that view.

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