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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Unfortunately, the (re)conquest of the Ukraine is going exactly the way I expected after Putin's brazen invasion and occupation of Crimea. It'll take a few years; first they'll take over the eastern provinces, killing or driving out all non-Russian speakers, then they'll eventually march on Kiev. Ugly business, that. A hell of a mess.
    I am still hoping for Ukrainians to find the fighting spirit they once may have had. Perhaps they can liberate themselves from Russians with some aid.

    I hope they do not expect NATO to do the ground fighting for them. That is not how it works. We made all the ground fighting in the famous battle of Pashtrik in 1999 in Dardania. We piled them up with Ukrainian purchased weapons while there was help from NATO that bombed the heck out of Serbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It we start arming Ukraine more actively that just means additional US culpability when it all goes to ****. I consider this very foolish, and damn near something Putin is baiting us into doing.
    Perhaps they should be more successful in their fights and be worthy of such investment.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    We are simply not seeing enough good options, or an upside at all, to aiding Ukraine in their efforts to keep land containing people they clearly do not like as a response to Putin's advances for them. This problem is not as simple as saying it is all Russia's fault, Ukraine has at least some culpability as to why everyone inside of that nation refuses to get along.
    Unless Ukrainians start fighting better and win more battles and turn this around!
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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It is true that the Ukrainian government gets support from ultra right wing Ukrainian nationalist fascists.
    How is Nazism working out with Hebrews in charge?
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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So, what you are pointing out is that the argument will "speak to the people's hearts and minds" to keep them aligned behind the separatists, which is compatible with tradition.
    I was not pointing that out. In that particular post, I was educating myself, and perhaps others who are not familiar with the history of Jews in Ukraine.

    Over and above that, it appears that he was actually saying Jews are a great people, but the leaders like Yatsenyuk and Porenshenko, who are indeed Jewish, are sorry. I may not understand you correctly, but if I do, if he was trying to appeal to anti-semitism, why would he refer to Jews as being a great people?

    That title "miserable Jews" is media spin to discredit the separatists.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yatsenuk and Porenshenko are both Jewish.
    Yatsenyuk says he is ethnic Ukrainian and Romanian. The chief Rabbi of Ukraine (Yaakov Bleich) states that Yatsenyuk is not Jewish.

    Poroshenko? Well I personally know that he worships at a Christian Eastern Orthodox church every Sunday.

    There are two main Cossack groups in Ukraine. The Donbass Cossack's (pro-Russia) and the Zaporozhian Cossack's (independent). The two groups generally don't get along very well. Something like the Hatfields and the McCoys.


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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    How is Nazism working out with Hebrews in charge?
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    John McCain Went To Ukraine And Stood On Stage With A Man Accused Of Being An Anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi

    If you want a good picture of how complicated the situation in Ukraine is, look no further than Senator John McCain's recent trip to Kyiv.

    You see, while the former presidential hopeful's weekend trip was full of pro-Europe sound bites — "Ukraine will make Europe better and Europe will make Ukraine better,” he told a crowd in Kyiv's central Maidan square on Saturday — and warnings of stern reactions from the U.S. should Ukraine use violence against the protesters, there's another detail to it that might cause McCain fans at home some concern.

    As the U.K.'s Channel 4 news points out, McCain was repeatedly photographed with Oleh Tyahnybok, the leader of the right wing nationalist party Svoboda.

    John McCain Meets Oleh Tyahnybok In Ukraine - Business Insider

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Oleh Tyahnybok received 1.16% of the vote in Ukraine's 2014 presidential election. His party (Svoboda) did not meet the 5% threshold in the 2014 Legislative elections.


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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Yatsenyuk says he is ethnic Ukrainian and Romanian. The chief Rabbi of Ukraine (Yaakov Bleich) states that Yatsenyuk is not Jewish.

    Poroshenko? Well I personally know that he worships at a Christian Eastern Orthodox church every Sunday.

    There are two main Cossack groups in Ukraine. The Donbass Cossack's (pro-Russia) and the Zaporozhian Cossack's (independent). The two groups generally don't get along very well. Something like the Hatfields and the McCoys.
    According to this Guardian piece, Yatsenyuk seeks to downplay his Jewish roots.

    Who exactly is governing Ukraine? | World news | The Guardian

    He has played down his Jewish-Ukrainian origins, possibly because of the prevalence of antisemitism in his party's western Ukraine heartland.
    It is also interesting to note that his Wiki page has been recently cleansed. I know that it recently said the following:

    He was born to in a family of Jewish-Ukrainian professors of the Chernivtsi University.
    According to this Porenshenko was on Forbes list as one of the world's richest Jews

    https://news.pn/en/money/79533

    The Israeli Forbes edition published the list of the richest Jews of the world to which three Ukrainians got

    In particular Rinat Akhmetov with $15,4 billion took 12-е a place, Victor Pinchuk with $3,8 billion - the fifty sixth, and Pyotr Poroshenko with $1,6 billion - 130-е.
    And this is of interest

    Poroshenko’s victory is also significant given the unconfirmed but widespread reports that he is of partially Jewish ancestry, Zissels said.

    According to Russia 1, Poroshenko’s father, Alexey Valtsman, was a Jew from Odessa who in 1956 took his wife’s last name. But last year, a Poroshenko spokeswoman asked Forbes Israel to remove the billionaire’s name from a list of the world’s richest Jews. The spokeswoman, Irina Fireez, did not say why she wanted her boss’ name removed.

    Poroshenko’s office did not reply to queries from JTA on this issue.
    For Ukrainian Jews, far-right

    Honestly, I don't know either one, so I can't say I know for sure.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yatsenuk and Porenshenko are both Jewish.
    Yatsenuk is an evangelical Christian, with out any Jewish background. Porenshenko is evidently of partial Jewish descent (confirmed by a leading Ukrainian rabbi), but has always self identified as being ethnically Ukrainian and is a member of the Ukrainian orthodox church. The speaker of the Ukrainian parliament is Jewish by both religion and ethnicity.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Yatsenuk is an evangelical Christian, with out any Jewish background. Porenshenko is evidently of partial Jewish descent (confirmed by a leading Ukrainian rabbi), but has always self identified as being ethnically Ukrainian and is a member of the Ukrainian orthodox church. The speaker of the Ukrainian parliament is Jewish by both religion and ethnicity.
    I don't know about Yatsenyuk. Some say he is Jewish. But again, I don't know him personally, so I don't know.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Oleh Tyahnybok received 1.16% of the vote in Ukraine's 2014 presidential election. His party (Svoboda) did not meet the 5% threshold in the 2014 Legislative elections.
    So 210,476 people in Ukraine voted for a guy who called for "organised Jewry and criminality in Ukraine."

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