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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I wonder what sort of effect this will have on the conflict. Interesting

    Ukraine run by 'miserable Jews,' says rebel chief | The Times of Israel
    "Miserable representatives (Yats and Poroshenko) of the great Jewish people." Sounds more to me like a
    specific and personal insult to the leaders and not the great Jewish people. The "Colorados" are used to
    being racially discriminated against, same as the Jews. "Colorados"(beetles) is the name given to the
    Novorussians in East Ukraine. They have been the target of anti-semitism by Kiev and the junta in charge.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    For ****'s sake do you people ever like check the stories that you read in the papers?!?

    Here is what he said, start listening/reading subs from 13:15 (English subs available):


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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I think you are giving too much credit to the idea that Russia would consider such a confrontation, and an even more credit to the US attacking Russia conventionally. Just not in the cards. Again, if we face anything it is an escalated cold war which leads to very different consequences than outright war.

    We are simply not seeing enough good options, or an upside at all, to aiding Ukraine in their efforts to keep land containing people they clearly do not like as a response to Putin's advances for them. This problem is not as simple as saying it is all Russia's fault, Ukraine has at least some culpability as to why everyone inside of that nation refuses to get along.
    First of all, if Ariel Cohen is to be believed, Russia has already considered it and has stated what they would do.

    Not only that, but Russia has likely decided that they are going to create a buffer zone in Eastern Ukraine, no matter what. Presently, Ukraine does not agree with that idea. In my opinion, that's really what the fighting there currently is centered on. So looks like they will fight until Ukraine either agrees with or can defeat the Russian backed separatists. They will not be able to defeat them unless the US gets directly involved. If we send them lethal weapons, it will prolong the conflict and will cause a sharp increase in fatalities on the separatist side, some of those will likely be Russian. Russia has made up their mind that they are not going to lose because the area is right on their border and is a vital interest to them. They cannot lose. As such Russia will escalate, even if they have to directly send in their own troops. At that point, let's say Hillary Clinton is President of the US. Her political opponents will accuse her of being weak and not doing enough to confront Russian aggression. She would then respond with more lethal aid and sending in military advisors. Russia will then escalate and US military personnel will be killed, which will provoke an escalation by the US. It would end in a nuclear confrontation, unless Clinton, or whoever is President backed down and swallowed the criticism of being weak and having allowed Russia to take Ukraine.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "Miserable representatives (Yats and Poroshenko) of the great Jewish people." Sounds more to me like a
    specific and personal insult to the leaders and not the great Jewish people. The "Colorados" are used to
    being racially discriminated against, same as the Jews. "Colorados"(beetles) is the name given to the
    Novorussians in East Ukraine. They have been the target of anti-semitism by Kiev and the junta in charge.
    Yatsenuk and Porenshenko are both Jewish.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    First of all, if Ariel Cohen is to be believed, Russia has already considered it and has stated what they would do.

    Not only that, but Russia has likely decided that they are going to create a buffer zone in Eastern Ukraine, no matter what. Presently, Ukraine does not agree with that idea. In my opinion, that's really what the fighting there currently is centered on. So looks like they will fight until Ukraine either agrees with or can defeat the Russian backed separatists. They will not be able to defeat them unless the US gets directly involved. If we send them lethal weapons, it will prolong the conflict and will cause a sharp increase in fatalities on the separatist side, some of those will likely be Russian. Russia has made up their mind that they are not going to lose because the area is right on their border and is a vital interest to them. They cannot lose. As such Russia will escalate, even if they have to directly send in their own troops. At that point, let's say Hillary Clinton is President of the US. Her political opponents will accuse her of being weak and not doing enough to confront Russian aggression. She would then respond with more lethal aid and sending in military advisors. Russia will then escalate and US military personnel will be killed, which will provoke an escalation by the US. It would end in a nuclear confrontation, unless Clinton, or whoever is President backed down and swallowed the criticism of being weak and having allowed Russia to take Ukraine.
    I have a big problem with that, Ariel Cohen also said that Russia has no inherent conflict with the US even if their policies create friction with the US. Turns out given Putin's activity and renewed cold war thinking has concluded there is inherent conflict. One that we make worse getting baited into Ukraine involvement.

    I cannot be the only one that sees this.
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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    For ****'s sake do you people ever like check the stories that you read in the papers?!?

    Here is what he said, start listening/reading subs from 13:15 (English subs available):


    Fallen.
    Thanks for sharing that. So do you feel that the sub title translation was more accurate than

    “miserable representatives of the great Jewish people."
    I don't know. I can't speak the language.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I have a big problem with that, Ariel Cohen also said that Russia has no inherent conflict with the US even if their policies create friction with the US. Turns out given Putin's activity and renewed cold war thinking has concluded there is inherent conflict. One that we make worse getting baited into Ukraine involvement.

    I cannot be the only one that sees this.
    No I see it also, it just seems like we are going down that road so that we won't look weak.

    Here's the relevant wiki quote on Russia's nuclear doctrine:

    "Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies, and also in case of aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is threatened."

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Thanks for sharing that. So do you feel that the sub title translation was more accurate than
    I don't know. I can't speak the language.
    The subs are a direct translation of his and Plotnitsky's words.
    If you actually look at what they said their statements are indeed retarded, but still light years away from something that can generate the "OMG he is an anti-Semite!" bs.

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    The subs are a direct translation of his and Plotnitsky's words.
    If you actually look at what they said their statements are indeed retarded, but still light years away from something that can generate the "OMG he is an anti-Semite!" bs.

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    Well different people can translate in different ways. Personally I have no way of knowing. Do you understand what they are saying and can personally say that the translation is accurate?

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    Re: Ukraine run by ‘miserable Jews,’ says rebel chief

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well different people can translate in different ways. Personally I have no way of knowing. Do you understand what they are saying and can personally say that the translation is accurate?
    The blue - yes.

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