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Rand Paul "Vaccines Can Lead to Profound Mental Disorders"

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How did this clown manage to get into med school?
 
I thought he was an optometrist like Assad.

He was... or maybe still is. I don't know that I buy into the autism stuff.... I think there are other reasons there are so many cases of autism and it mostly has to do with not letting kids be kids, especially when kids are hyper. Of course the more severe cases of autism are real, but I have a difficult time linking it in any factual way to vaccines. I DO however think people should have a choice and those choices have consequences. I also believe people should have more information about what is in these vaccines and long term scientific information on them, as well as changes to vaccines so people can find info and inform themselves.
 
Not surprising. His father has deep ties to a variety of conspiracy theorists, as well as the general anti-Government sentiment that's so common among libertarian circles. To foster these backwards-ass notions from a position of power and influence is the height of irresponsibility.
 
How did this clown manage to get into med school?
With a lot of studying and hard work, most likely.

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"Vaccines have saved untold millions of lives, and the vast majority of people who get them suffer no major problems.

But there's a trade-off: occasionally, vaccines cause injury or death. Very rarely, patients are left with what's known as "encephalopathy", the medical term for brain damage.

In fact, CBS News has found nearly 1,300 cases in which vaccine-related brain damage has been compensated in court over the past 20 years.

The debate over any links between vaccines and autism - a behavior problem triggered by brain damage - couldn't be more contentious. The great majority of medical opinion holds that vaccines don't cause autism. However, many of the same experts don't dispute that vaccines can, in rare instances, cause brain damage."

Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What's in a Name? - CBS News
 
He was... or maybe still is. I don't know that I buy into the autism stuff.... I think there are other reasons there are so many cases of autism and it mostly has to do with not letting kids be kids, especially when kids are hyper. Of course the more severe cases of autism are real, but I have a difficult time linking it in any factual way to vaccines. I DO however think people should have a choice and those choices have consequences. I also believe people should have more information about what is in these vaccines and long term scientific information on them, as well as changes to vaccines so people can find info and inform themselves.

Personally I believe that a lot of people just look for an excuse rather than say, "I am too damn poor and don't have insurance." Either way to each their own. I think that Jehovah Witnesses are silly for refusing blood transfusion, but they have their reasons, and I at least respect their choice even if I disagree with it. I do me. You do you.
 
The autism link has been debunked for some time.
Paul just took a big step backward in appealing to his backward base.

Christie stepped in his own steaming pile on vaccines in the UK, with his aides having to walk his comments back.

It's now down to Bush and Walker as the only two sane candidates--and they're carefully not talking about vaccines.
And Romney will support Walker .
 
Oh FFS, it is **** like this that makes me question anyone up on the hill these days.

Yes, Vaccines can have a small chance of minor side effects. No, there is little empirical data to suggest that vaccines have some disposition to causing serious side effects or "profound mental disorders." Yes, most infections are more likely than vaccines to ensure lifelong immunity. No, you are not better without vaccines anyway, as in some cases infections lead to secondary complications... some of them are severe (as in more severe than the minuscule chance a vaccine ended up causing a serious side effect.)

Rand Paul is probably speaking more from a mindset of freedoms to make the choice, but the quote makes it seems like he is talking about some large percentage chance of vaccines leading to "profound mental disorders." As of yet, there is little evidence to back up that case.
 
What about the notion that parents should decide for their children rather than have the State mandate it?
The State can and usually does have certain rules & regs for things like school that require parents to have their kids vaccinated in order to participate.
Seems to me that satisfies both parent & State.
Agreed?
Something else ... for those who believe the State can mandate vaccinations of all kinds, then they should stop everyone at every border and refuse them entry unless they can show compliance.
Agreed?
 
Rand Paul "Vaccines Can Lead to Profound Mental Disorders"

he's an eye doctor, and his dad practiced medicine. that makes this comment even dumber, if that's possible.
 
Apparently Rand Paul took A LOT of vaccinations.

I was waiting for that one!! (smile)

I really do like Rand Paul's speaking out on incarceration rates; but there are so many other things he says that I disagree with, like this one.

His accreditation wasn't through the normal medical board, right? didn't his dad create a new one or something like that and that's the one he got accredited from?
 
I am NOT a Rand Paul supporter, so lets get that straight, but I would like to chime in on the efforts of the MSM, including Meghan Kelly, last night on FOX. The truth folks is that although millions have been tested, reviewed, and studied, the fact of the matter is that, scientists really, at the end of the day, don't know for sure how, or why viruses mutate at the molecular level, what damage they do at the molecular level, nor do they really know how the vaccines that are designed to impair the disease, and improve our immune response, affect our healthy cells at the molecular level. With that said, vaccines, generally are very safe when put into numbers and analyzed statistically. Like flying a plane, boat, car, walking. All carry a statistical variance. Another fact is that even if there was some major pandemic virus we've never seen, literally millions of people would be immune to it. Even if it killed off the vast majority of humans, there would be millions of us that would survive.

Conclusion, vaccines are safe for most of us, but for some of us, they are not; conversely, diseases, and viruses are deadly, or can cause damage to MOST of us, and to some of us they do nothing.

More research needs to be conducted and we certainly need to continue analysis and studies, but what Rand Paul believes is what all scientists already know, but won't say as to not sound the alarm.

Tim-
 
I am NOT a Rand Paul supporter, so lets get that straight, but I would like to chime in on the efforts of the MSM, including Meghan Kelly, last night on FOX. The truth folks is that although millions have been tested, reviewed, and studied, the fact of the matter is that, scientists really, at the end of the day, don't know for sure how, or why viruses mutate at the molecular level, what damage they do at the molecular level, nor do they really know how the vaccines that are designed to impair the disease, and improve our immune response, affect our healthy cells at the molecular level. With that said, vaccines, generally are very safe when put into numbers and analyzed statistically. Like flying a plane, boat, car, walking. All carry a statistical variance. Another fact is that even if there was some major pandemic virus we've never seen, literally millions of people would be immune to it. Even if it killed off the vast majority of humans, there would be millions of us that would survive.

Conclusion, vaccines are safe for most of us, but for some of us, they are not; conversely, diseases, and viruses are deadly, or can cause damage to MOST of us, and to some of us they do nothing.

More research needs to be conducted and we certainly need to continue analysis and studies, but what Rand Paul believes is what all scientists already know, but won't say as to not sound the alarm.

Tim-


at least 0.03% of the population is naturally immune to all unknown and/or potential viral mutations?

fascinating, I'd like to see the source on that.
 
at least 0.03% of the population is naturally immune to all unknown and/or potential viral mutations?

fascinating, I'd like to see the source on that.


There are a small percentage of people that are naturally immune to HIV for instance. There are people that are naturally immune to ANY disease, but not all disease. Surely you know this? Proteins are an amazing little molecule, and we've not even scratched the surface of the surface of how many different combination there are.

Tim-
 
The autism link has been debunked for some time.
Paul just took a big step backward in appealing to his backward base.

Christie stepped in his own steaming pile on vaccines in the UK, with his aides having to walk his comments back.

It's now down to Bush and Walker as the only two sane candidates--and they're carefully not talking about vaccines.
And Romney will support Walker .

Do you feel the same way about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? Both said basically the same thing.
 

I don't think anyone is arguing that vaccines do not work, clearly, and incontrovertibly, they do. THAT's a FACT JACK! Rather, I think what some are saying is that although this particular made up study was faked, the hundreds of studies since showing otherwise are not conclusive, in that, there is no causal link from receiving a vaccine to acquiring mental disorders, specifically, Autism.. Why would you ask? Because we simply do not know how vaccines, and or diseases themselves alter our bodies at the molecular level. Show me proof that disease and vaccines have no bearing on cell health, or long-term evolutionary-scale human health, and that would be something worth reading. Could be that vaccines are completely benign to our overall health as a species, but to date, none of the studies I've read have even attempted to measure that paradigm.

So to summarize what it is I'm getting at. It is a fact that vaccines work to prevent disease! It is a fact that, with our current knowledge and understanding, it is by far better to get vaccinated than to not. It is a fact that we do not yet fully understand how vaccines, and disease alter our bodies at the molecular level, which leads to a more unclear understanding of how all this will affect us as a species. Given the latter, and in-spite of our understanding, vaccination seems perfectly safe and harmless, and the right thing to do.

Tim-
 
This is precisely the sort of thing I would expect from Ron Paul's son and why I have always been skeptical of his forthcoming candidacy. Unless he walks this back I'll probably never give him a second thought. Bring on Walker, Bush, Pataki, whomever---but not Paul.

Rand Paul: Vaccines Can Lead to 'Mental Disorders' - NBC News
Rand Paul says he

This is my first post!

Surprising about Rand Paul since he was so level-headed and sound of mind after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson.
 
I don't think anyone is arguing that vaccines do not work, clearly, and incontrovertibly, they do. THAT's a FACT JACK!
Tim-

nor did i say otherwise :shrug:
 
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