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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How odd. I thought most communities had laws regarding when you could make noise, like 7 am to 9 pm, for example.

    It's hard to visualize how his 'gun range' could be safe in such close quarters to other residences, etc but they didnt say how large his property is.
    True, and they didn't show, or say what is behind that small pile of sand he is shooting at either....
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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Key word... can.

    What from tfa proves he has?
    You asked this same question earlier in the thread SK, and everyone that you have asked it to has answered you with the same answer that you seemingly ignore only to ask it again later....What is it that you are looking for? The cops were there, and they said that everything was in order with the law and left...So let me throw it back at ya....What from TFA proves he hasn't?
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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Classic. The law has been in place for 27 years. BUT...since the NRA was involved in some sort of lobbying efforts 4 years ago, its the NRAs fault.

    Could it be that in fact it IS legal, safe, and OK and no one has gotten hurt?
    Read. Lawmakers are now subject to penalty, thanks to NRA meddling, if they try to restrict something as blatantly irresponsible as this.
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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Read. Lawmakers are now subject to penalty, thanks to NRA meddling, if they try to restrict something as blatantly irresponsible as this.
    Read. Law was created 27 years ago. According to an obviously biased blog article the NRA did 'something' that caused lawmakers in 2011 to be limited in their ability to change the laW. What, pray tell, was that, and how does it prevent lawmakers from passing legislation? Or are you satisfied with "well...I read a line in a blog post that said it was all the NRAs fault..."?

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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Read. Law was created 27 years ago. According to an obviously biased blog article the NRA did 'something' that caused lawmakers in 2011 to be limited in their ability to change the laW. What, pray tell, was that, and how does it prevent lawmakers from passing legislation? Or are you satisfied with "well...I read a line in a blog post that said it was all the NRAs fault..."?
    Ahh yes... the lefts favorite 2A boogey-man that evil NRA is at the core of this. I KNEW it!!!
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Don't you think it is interesting how many on the right are such strong advocates of local control until "local control" means a community enacts a local ordinance saying "No shooting range inside city limits" or "No discrimination against 'teh gays'"? Then the conservatives are quite happy telling a town or a county - "Nope, you can't do that. Us at the state legislature know more than you guys." Actually its often a result of the rural vs urban divide that seems to be increasing in this country, aided and abetted by blatant gerrymandering, so more votes may be cast for progressive politicians and causes but the conservatives have given more power to the rural districts.

    The Nov 2014 elections in the state of Michigan provide an example of the influence conservative control has had on state election results.

    In the races for the state House, Democrats received more votes but Republicans INCREASED their majority status:
    Democrats: 1,536,812 (50.98%)
    Republicans: 1,474,983 (48.93%)
    The Republican maps turned a 61,829 margin FOR DEMOCRATS into a 63-47 "majority" for Republicans.
    The average Republican victory: 6,389 votes. The average Democratic victory: 10,092.

    In the races for the state Senate, the discrepancy is even more egregious:
    Republicans received slightly more votes than Democrats, but turned a slim total-vote victory into a super-majority:
    Democrats: 1,483,927 (49.23%)
    Republicans: 1,527,343 (50.67%)
    The Republican maps transforms that slim 43,416 statewide vote margin (1.4%) into a 27-11 advantage (71%) in the state Senate.
    The average Republican victory: 15,107 votes. The average Democratic victory: 33,133 votes.

    http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election.../14GENall.html
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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Don't you think it is interesting how many on the right are such strong advocates of local control until "local control" means a community enacts a local ordinance saying "No shooting range inside city limits" or "No discrimination against 'teh gays'"? Then the conservatives are quite happy telling a town or a county - "Nope, you can't do that. Us at the state legislature know more than you guys." Actually its often a result of the rural vs urban divide that seems to be increasing in this country, aided and abetted by blatant gerrymandering, so more votes may be cast for progressive politicians and causes but the conservatives have given more power to the rural districts.

    The Nov 2014 elections in the state of Michigan provide an example of the influence conservative control has had on state election results.

    In the races for the state House, Democrats received more votes but Republicans INCREASED their majority status:
    Democrats: 1,536,812 (50.98%)
    Republicans: 1,474,983 (48.93%)
    The Republican maps turned a 61,829 margin FOR DEMOCRATS into a 63-47 "majority" for Republicans.
    The average Republican victory: 6,389 votes. The average Democratic victory: 10,092.

    In the races for the state Senate, the discrepancy is even more egregious:
    Republicans received slightly more votes than Democrats, but turned a slim total-vote victory into a super-majority:
    Democrats: 1,483,927 (49.23%)
    Republicans: 1,527,343 (50.67%)
    The Republican maps transforms that slim 43,416 statewide vote margin (1.4%) into a 27-11 advantage (71%) in the state Senate.
    The average Republican victory: 15,107 votes. The average Democratic victory: 33,133 votes.

    http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election.../14GENall.html
    Would you advocate for 'local control' over gay marriage laws? Over discrimination practices? Or is 'local control' just the buzzword and argument you opt for when it is a law you actually 'like'?

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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Would you advocate for 'local control' over gay marriage laws? Over discrimination practices? Or is 'local control' just the buzzword and argument you opt for when it is a law you actually 'like'?

    Nope, just pointing out the hypocrisy of many on the right.
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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Read. Law was created 27 years ago. According to an obviously biased blog article the NRA did 'something' that caused lawmakers in 2011 to be limited in their ability to change the laW. What, pray tell, was that, and how does it prevent lawmakers from passing legislation? Or are you satisfied with "well...I read a line in a blog post that said it was all the NRAs fault..."?
    Well, ya know, the NRA created ebola by combining an assault rifle with a virus, so....

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    Re: St Pete man builds gun range in yard, neighbors outraged

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Guy did it in the Keys as well.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...post1062846402

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How odd. I thought most communities had laws regarding when you could make noise, like 7 am to 9 pm, for example.

    It's hard to visualize how his 'gun range' could be safe in such close quarters to other residences, etc but they didnt say how large his property is.
    It might be pretty small.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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