Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 72

Thread: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

  1. #1
    Invictus


    Rogue Valley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,160

    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    February 2, 2015

    With Russian-backed separatists pressing their attacks in Ukraine, NATO’s military commander, Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, now supports providing defensive weapons and equipment to Kiev’s beleaguered forces, and an array of administration and military officials appear to be edging toward that position, American officials said Sunday. President Obama has made no decisions on providing such lethal assistance. But after a series of striking reversals that Ukraine’s forces have suffered in recent weeks, the Obama administration is taking a fresh look at the question of military aid.

    Secretary of State John Kerry, who plans to visit Kiev on Thursday, is open to new discussions about providing lethal assistance, as is Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, officials said. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, who is leaving his post soon, backs sending defensive weapons to the Ukrainian forces. In recent months, Susan E. Rice, Mr. Obama’s national security adviser, has resisted proposals to provide lethal assistance, several officials said. But one official who is familiar with her views insisted that Ms. Rice was now prepared to reconsider the issue.

    Michčle A. Flournoy, a former senior Pentagon official who is a leading candidate to serve as defense secretary if Hillary Rodham Clinton is elected president, joined in preparing the report. Others include James G. Stavridis, a retired admiral who served as the top NATO military commander, and Ivo Daalder, the ambassador to NATO during Mr. Obama’s first term.

    In recent weeks, Russia has shipped a large number of heavy weapons to support the separatists’ offensive in eastern Ukraine, including T-80 and T-72 tanks, multiple-launch rocket systems, artillery and armored personnel carriers, Western officials say. Some of the weapons are too sophisticated to be used by hastily trained separatists, a Western official said. NATO officials estimate that about 1,000 Russian military and intelligence personnel are supporting the separatist offensive while Ukrainian officials insist that the number is much higher.

    Supported by the Russians, the separatists have captured the airport at Donetsk and are pressing to take Debaltseve, a town that sits aside a critical rail junction. All told, the separatists have captured 500 square kilometers — about 193 square miles — of additional territory in the past four months, NATO says. The assessment of some senior Western officials is that the Kremlin’s goal is to replace the Minsk agreement with an accord that would be more favorable to the Kremlin’s interests and would leave the separatists with a more economically viable enclave.

    The administration’s deliberations were described by a range of senior Pentagon, administration and Western officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were talking about internal discussions. “A comprehensive approach is warranted, and we agree that defensive equipment and weapons should be part of that discussion.” the Pentagon official said.
    With his economy already tanking, such battlefield assistance *could* dramatically change the calculus of Vladimir Putin. It is a huge decision. I would speculate that neighboring European states who are alarmed by Russian aggression may follow any such US lead in this regard.


    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. -- Marine Corps General James 'Chaos' Mattis

    Repeal and Replace Trump.

  2. #2
    Iconoclast
    DaveFagan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    wny
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:16 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,306

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say


    With his economy already tanking, such battlefield assistance *could* dramatically change the calculus of Vladimir Putin. It is a huge decision. I would speculate that neighboring European states who are alarmed by Russian aggression may follow any such US lead in this regard.
    As the largest Arms Dealer in the World, you have to chase profits where you can find them. Ukraine has the potential for a very profitable war for the USA Militaty Industrial Complex, don't you think? I mean, for a war to have even a modicum of success, you have to kill a bunch of ignorant homo sapiens. More correctly, the ignorant lead to the wholesale killing of the innocents would be a more correct statement. That's just the War Business, don't ya' know? Goebbels says it's easy to lead people to war. Just demonize somebody and keep doing it with MSM control. Child's play. War is a great thing if it buys you a new Cadillac or an island or an airplane and screw a bunch of collaterol damage, often referred to as the dead and dying. Bleeding heart liberal wimps, don't ya' know? Bottom line for business and profits. Send them truckloads of weapons, soldiers, planes, tanks, etc. and I'll put in my order for my new Caddie.

  3. #3
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:06 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    43,399

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say


    With his economy already tanking, such battlefield assistance *could* dramatically change the calculus of Vladimir Putin. It is a huge decision. I would speculate that neighboring European states who are alarmed by Russian aggression may follow any such US lead in this regard.
    I would prefer the Europeans foot the bill. They messed this up and should pay its fixing.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    04-26-17 @ 10:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    3,697

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say


    With his economy already tanking, such battlefield assistance *could* dramatically change the calculus of Vladimir Putin. It is a huge decision. I would speculate that neighboring European states who are alarmed by Russian aggression may follow any such US lead in this regard.
    Let's see how many countries Obama can arm before he leaves the white house. He's tackled the middle east, and now Ukraine is his next fix. Lol remember when he won the peace prize? lolol

  5. #5
    Invictus


    Rogue Valley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,160

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    As the largest Arms Dealer in the World, you have to chase profits where you can find them.
    Oh, I don't know about that. One can find Kalashnikov's everywhere in the world. Which reminds me... I'll give you a nice travel tip. There is a Kalashnikov museum in Izhevsk, Russia, the city where the Kalashnikov weapons factory is located. After paying a fee to gain entrance, you are provided purple shower caps to place over your shoes. Honest to God. The exhibits are nifty but the biggest surprise lurks in the basement. There is a shooting range to fire Kalashnikov weapons! Hot damn! I've never seen a museum quite like this anywhere else.


    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. -- Marine Corps General James 'Chaos' Mattis

    Repeal and Replace Trump.

  6. #6
    Guru
    Fallenangel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Israel/Russia/UK
    Last Seen
    11-12-17 @ 03:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,416

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say


    With his economy already tanking, such battlefield assistance *could* dramatically change the calculus of Vladimir Putin. It is a huge decision. I would speculate that neighboring European states who are alarmed by Russian aggression may follow any such US lead in this regard.
    Ok, lets assume US supplied more lethal weapons... what's next?!?
    Especially with Putin explicitly stating in the past that Russia wouldn't let DNR/LNR to fall.

    Fallen.
    Click me > My Artsy Stuff

    "You’ve got one life, there’s no save-point and you’re going to die. Go out like a ****ing man!" - Brad Rigney

  7. #7
    Iconoclast
    DaveFagan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    wny
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:16 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,306

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Ok, lets assume US supplied more lethal weapons... what's next?!?
    Especially with Putin explicitly stating in the past that Russia wouldn't let DNR/LNR to fall.

    Fallen.
    Good point, ergo Putin will supply more arms. The Kiev Junta is having difficutly finding enough
    cannon fodder to feed the Eastern War. Not much enthusiasm to kill other Ukrainians, ergo the
    USA will send more contractors to Ukraine. End result is that all the arms dealers will profit
    handsomely and all of Ukraine will be economically destitute and at the mercy of the World's
    oligarchs. A great success story for Big Money multiNational Corporatism and the bottom feeding
    Central Banks..

  8. #8
    Invictus


    Rogue Valley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last Seen
    @
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,160

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Ok, lets assume US supplied more lethal weapons... what's next?!?
    Especially with Putin explicitly stating in the past that Russia wouldn't let DNR/LNR to fall.

    Fallen.
    That question is far beyond my purview. Putin hasn't responded positively to diplomacy and sanctions. Non-lethal options are dwindling.

    Flournoy is a brilliant former Obama DoD appointee and he listens to her. If Rice comes on-board, the circle is complete.


    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. -- Marine Corps General James 'Chaos' Mattis

    Repeal and Replace Trump.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    04-26-17 @ 10:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    3,697

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say


    With his economy already tanking, such battlefield assistance *could* dramatically change the calculus of Vladimir Putin. It is a huge decision. I would speculate that neighboring European states who are alarmed by Russian aggression may follow any such US lead in this regard.
    Arming Ukraine is really stupid. We could give them all the money in the world. They would never fend off Russia if Russia really wanted Ukraine...This is a waste of time

  10. #10
    Guru

    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Last Seen
    12-12-17 @ 11:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,899

    Re: US considers supplying arms to Ukraine forces, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Ok, lets assume US supplied more lethal weapons... what's next?!?
    Especially with Putin explicitly stating in the past that Russia wouldn't let DNR/LNR to fall.

    Fallen.
    Good point. Russia can send far more, far faster than the US can.

    US military aid cannot win the war. In the end, the Ukrainians, as a people, must demonstrate they have the will to fight and the skills to win. They can defeat the rebels with their current weapons if used skillfully. The US should send more "force multipliers" (the latest radios, artillery radars, jamming devices, drones for "border patrol", robots, and data sharing devices for Ukrainian tanks etc) as well as logistics and armored warfare experts acting as "contractors". As a side note, the US has already provided weapons idnoirect weapons as 50 or so fully functioning T-72s were mysteriously brokered from Czech Republic to Ukraine.

Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •