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Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

flogger said:
Yet they seem to be a favourite amongst those with a lot of massacring to do dont they ?



I don't know what inadequacies you are addressing only you know that



Have many burglers been killed using AR 15s then ?
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given ALL rifles are used in less than 3% of all firearm murders you again are spewing untrue

claiming owning guns is based on inadequacies is nothing more than another demonstration that your motivations are based on cultural hatred and bigotry-not the faux concern about crime

how many burglars? no one keeps such stats.
 
TurtleDude said:
given ALL rifles are used in less than 3% of all firearm murders you again are spewing untrue

claiming owning guns is based on inadequacies is nothing more than another demonstration that your motivations are based on cultural hatred and bigotry-not the faux concern about crime

how many burglars? no one keeps such stats.
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Fair enough. When the next legally armed high school massacre occurs using just such weapons then your conscience will be clear.
 
flogger said:
Fair enough. When the next legally armed high school massacre occurs using just such weapons then your conscience will be clear.
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I don't feel guilt over an asshole breaking the law and I laugh at those who want to impose guilt on law abiding citizens
 
haymarket said:
Springsteen was in the background and I thought of this



"Outlaw Pete" BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN

Outlaw Pete...

He was born a little baby on the Appalachian Trail
At six months old he'd done three months in jail
Here at the bank in his diapers and his little bare baby feet
All he said was "Folks, my name is Outlaw Pete."
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I think it's actually "he robbed a bank." I've seen plenty of babies at the bank.

As much as I love Bruce, that song should have been left on the cutting floor. If for no other reason that I can't hear it without thinking of "I Was Made for Loving You." I dislike anything that reminds me of disco KISS.
 
flogger said:
The guns this guy used came from the home of a law abiding citizen
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yeah, he killed her. if the death penalty for capital murder doesn't deter someone, what law will?

anti gunners labor under two district delusions

1) people who are undeterred by massive prison sentences or the death penalty that are imposed for murder, robbery, rape and home invasion are NOT ALSO deterred by lesser sentences for the illegal possession of firearms. Furthermore, the war on drugs prove that banning stuff will not prevent people from obtaining contraband

2) people who never have misused firearms need more laws restricting what they can own to prevent them from misusing items they have never yet misused
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah, he killed her. if the death penalty for capital murder doesn't deter someone, what law will?

anti gunners labor under two district delusions

1) people who are undeterred by massive prison sentences or the death penalty that are imposed for murder, robbery, rape and home invasion are NOT ALSO deterred by lesser sentences for the illegal possession of firearms. Furthermore, the war on drugs prove that banning stuff will not prevent people from obtaining contraband

2) people who never have misused firearms need more laws restricting what they can own to prevent them from misusing items they have never yet misused
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It is almost a given that the next US massacre will be someone using guns that are legally owned. This is now quite rightly considered a health and safety rather then a rights issue and has been treated as such by every other developed nation. As a result the US has by far and away the highest level of firearms death amongst such countries
 
flogger said:
Yet they seem to be a favourite amongst those with a lot of massacring to do dont they ?
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No. They have used handguns and shotguns. Sorry. We don't make laws based on a minimum of incidents. That would be like locking up everyone with a mental disability because most of these shooters are mentally disabled.

I don't know what inadequacies you are addressing only you know that
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AH the broken and haggard argument. You have NO evidence, so you resort to an ad hom argument. PATHETIC! lol. Thanks for letting me know you can't argue the point effectively to give me a reason to not own an AR15. HA!

Have many burglers been killed using AR 15s then because I'll wager far more innocents have been massacred using them ?
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Do you realize that more people are SAVED by firearms in America than are killed by them? Even the LOWEST estimates of defensive gun uses top the number of homicides AND suicides by a few hundred thousand? Give it up man. We have guns in our society because we are an individualist nation that doesn't enjoy handing our freedom over to criminals and our government.
 
stonewall50 said:
Do you realize that more people are SAVED by firearms in America than are killed by them? Even the LOWEST estimates of defensive gun uses top the number of homicides AND suicides by a few hundred thousand? Give it up man. We have guns in our society because we are an individualist nation that doesn't enjoy handing our freedom over to criminals and our government.
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This is nonsense of course. Defensive shootings are but a tiny fraction of your overall death and injury stats

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/fbi-report-active-shooters_b_5900748.html
 
flogger said:
It is almost a given that the next US massacre will be someone using guns that are legally owned. This is now quite rightly considered a health and safety rather then a rights issue and has been treated as such by every other developed nation. As a result the US has by far and away the highest level of firearms death amongst such countries
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DO YOU REALIZE that American cities with gun control (AKA Detroit and Flint) our rates would be average? But hey, let's look at your glaring misunderstanding of mass shooters. I can tell you that the next one to occur will have a history of mental illness or violence. Do you know what ACTUALLY causes mental disorders? It isn't the gun. An inanimate object cannot kill people. It doesn't cause death. Your argument is flawed. Do you believe spoons make people fat? Hell do you believe fat foods make you fat? There are dozens of factors.

But you are trying to focus on mass shootings because you want to use the dead to support your cause. If you looked at the big picture you know darn well you are looking at a minutia of events.
 
stonewall50 said:
DO YOU REALIZE that American cities with gun control (AKA Detroit and Flint) our rates would be average? But hey, let's look at your glaring misunderstanding of mass shooters. I can tell you that the next one to occur will have a history of mental illness or violence. Do you know what ACTUALLY causes mental disorders? It isn't the gun. An inanimate object cannot kill people. It doesn't cause death. Your argument is flawed. Do you believe spoons make people fat? Hell do you believe fat foods make you fat? There are dozens of factors.
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Other countries have mentally ill violent people too yet they don't have your mass shooting problem. Its when such people have easy access to firearms that things get lethal

But you are trying to focus on mass shootings because you want to use the dead to support your cause. If you looked at the big picture you know darn well you are looking at a minutia of events.
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I've posted plenty of other stuff too that supports my position that has nothing to do with mass shooting. And I've certainly included the 'big picture' in my deliberations
 
flogger said:
This is nonsense of course. Defensive shootings are but a tiny fraction of your overall death and injury stats

New FBI Report Casts Doubt on NRA's 'Good Guy Stops Bad Guy' Nonsense | Mike Weisser
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:lamo:lamo

THAT ISN'T A COUNTER TO MY ARGUMENT!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I wasn't talking about JUST mass shootings. You weren't either. Trying to change the goalposts here? Why don't you try again?

I love the use of a Blog though lol. Especially since the blogger can give the inaccurate representation of what the FBI study would show lol.
 
flogger said:
So hiding 21st century firearms fetishism behind some long obsolete (yet still endlessly tortured) 18th century legislation makes it all OK with you then ?

Your conscience is clear :(
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Yup, sure is, not a doubt in the world and I sleep like a baby.
 
flogger said:
Other countries have mentally ill violent people too yet they don't have your mass shooting problem. Its when such people have easy access to firearms that things get lethal



I've posted plenty of other stuff too that supports my position that has nothing to do with mass shooting. And I've certainly included the 'big picture' in my deliberations
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Then it should be easy for you to produce some data that proves that more guns equals more violence. Forgetting of course that America has an increase in guns, relaxation of carrying in public laws, and a decrease in murders.


ACTUALLY. I would argue that Social Media has been a bigger cause of mass shootings and suicides than "assault weapons." But hey, nevermind the greater presence and increased use plus bullying there.
 
flogger said:
As long as its not you or yours thats the next victim and nobody gets to take away your toys why worry right ?
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I support the 2nd amendment regardless.
 
stonewall50 said:
:lamo:lamo

THAT ISN'T A COUNTER TO MY ARGUMENT!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I wasn't talking about JUST mass shootings. You weren't either. Trying to change the goalposts here? Why don't you try again?

I love the use of a Blog though lol. Especially since the blogger can give the inaccurate representation of what the FBI study would show lol.
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According to your own FBI just under 1% of all firearm fatalities are civilian defensive shootings. The other 99% pay a very high price indeed for such 'security'
 
stonewall50 said:
Then it should be easy for you to produce some data that proves that more guns equals more violence. Forgetting of course that America has an increase in guns, relaxation of carrying in public laws, and a decrease in murders.
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What you mean repost everything I've already posted because you cannot be bothered reading through the thread ! Not a chance :shock:

ACTUALLY. I would argue that Social Media has been a bigger cause of mass shootings and suicides than "assault weapons." But hey, nevermind the greater presence and increased use plus bullying there.
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Probably a factor but then again just like the point I made with mental illness its the easy access to firearms that can then make this into a lethal problem.
 
flogger said:
Please cite where I have done so?
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Your every post in this thread.

flogger said:
The problem in the US is casual unrestricted access to firearms and that is not a symptom
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The problem is population density, low income and the 50% divorce rate. Gun control can't fix those, and so gun control is not a viable solution to anything.

flogger said:
The plethora of links I've already posted all through this thread tell a very different story if you can do math
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2 is hardly a "plethora" :roll: and they were shot down anyway, unlike all of my links. You're arguing with Harvard now, good luck with that.
 
flogger said:
A year after Newtown, America's gun carnage continues with no end in sight | Michael Cohen | Comment is free | The Guardian
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You're quoting an opinion piece from a trash mag, and you honestly expect to get anywhere in this discussion?

flogger said:
When the next high school mass assault occurs as it surely will, do not pretend to be surprised. Every single thoughtless firearms apologist shares an indirect culpability. Yes….I meant every single one.
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Here in America we don't have guilt by association laws.

flogger said:
Why does anyone need an AR 15 in their lives ?
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I'm in the National Guard and due to budget cuts am not afforded proper time to train with my issued weapon. I am willing to put my own time and money into my training to keep my shooting skills for the military sharp. Also, I would like to compete in the Governor's 20 competition where victory means Promotion Points, a tab and a step closer to the Distinguished Rifleman award, which in turn is more Promotion Points to further my military career. I need the AR in order to do this as the AR is the closest rifle to my issued weapon as I can personally buy.
 
flogger said:
This guy got his legal weapon from the home of just such a 'good' person as did the last one ... as no doubt will the next. Such people with guns kill people more impulsively, in rapid succession and in huge numbers when access to guns is easier and, in particular, access to automatic weapons whether they be rifles or handguns. There is absolutely no justifiable reason...any...for civilian ownership of high powered automatic rifles and rapid loading high capacity magazines. And until such time that Bambi starts to organize combat assault teams, there is no use for automatic weapons for hunting either.
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Automatic weapons are not for hunting.

See also: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Arm-...-to-bear-arms-for-UK-citizens/438135962914486
 
flogger said:
Ownership of ever more powerful military assault weaponry has nothing whatsoever to do with defence. It is just an excuse used to hide their true motivations and it is certainly not the reason why many own whole arsenals of such weapons
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If that were true then America would be a British colony today.

Apparently history holds a different view on private gun ownership than you do.
 
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