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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Having a firearm in the home makes you far less safe. The OP being just another example

    Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.

    For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

    43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.

    In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.

    In 2011, nearly 10 times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.

    A Philadelphia study found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

    10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down | Mother Jones

    Theres nothing 'heroic' about putting your family at such a risk
    Your studies though are published by interest groups that want guns restricted

    The Philadelphia study for instance, makes no distinction between legally and illegally carry guns. Someone who lives, and a high-end suburban and occasionally carries a handgun and has a concealed handgun license is treated exactly the same as a gangbanger out dealing drugs in contested turf for the purposes of that study. In fact engaging in behavior that is criminal does make you a higher risk for being the victim of a crime

    As far as the guns and the home study, all of them harken back to the Kellerman study which is been long discredited. Back in the early 1990s, Dr. Kellerman published a study showing your chances of being killed by a gun, we're 43 times greater when I gun was present in your house. Problem being, his study never distinguish between the gun you won't and the gun that the criminal brought into your house. In fact very few of these studies actually control for the ownership of the gun involved

    As far as gun related accidents, that's just common sense. You're more likely to fall down the stairs, if you live in a house with stairs. The actual risk of fatal accidents involving firearms, is so astronomically small that it's not even really worth worrying about
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I thought it was truly sick that the response to the Sandy Hook massacre was to rush out and empty the shelves of AR15's (the weapon used to do the massacre) in case they got banned

    Only in the US I suppose so go figure
    Funny thing about that being, no one suggested a ban in the first place people wouldn't of emptied the shelves
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    A car is not designed to kill and accidents are the price paid for their utility. Whereas guns most certainly are .

    Why is adding an additional tens of thousands of intentional gun fatalities to tens of thousands of accidental vehicle fatalities acceptable to you ?

    It was doubtless via the law abiding that your criminals acquired their guns in the first place. You are addressing the symptoms and not the cause
    It doesnt matter what cars are designed for. You assume we need cars (which many people dont) and that we dont need guns (which many people do.) It's not up to me to tell people they should be taking the bus or walking. Many people in the US do and if cars were restricted...many more would adapt and do so. We COULD curtail deaths/injuries by car *if we chose to.* But we dont.

    It's not up to you to tell other people to give up their guns if they want them for self-protection, sport, hunting, or anything else. Who are you to 'know' their circumstances? I am a single female living in a rural area where it takes a long time for cops to arrive. Why should someone else have the right to tell me I cant own and carry a firearm? Who says I dont 'need' it?

    I am not responsible for the criminal acts of others. If someone steals my car and kills someone in the commission of a crime with it, I am not responsible for that and I'm not responsible for their theft of my firearms or any crimes they commit with those. Criminals are responsible for their crimes.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Your studies though are published by interest groups that want guns restricted
    And I applaud them for that

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Funny thing about that being, no one suggested a ban in the first place people wouldn't of emptied the shelves
    The fact is there was far more concern for the guns than the victims of them said it all frankly

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And I applaud them for that
    So the ends justify the means?

    Falsifying and slanting data is morally acceptable?

    I prefer the people with guns then in a society that would find that acceptable.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The fact is there was far more concern for the guns than the victims of them said it all frankly
    Where did you read of a lack of concern for the victims? And how are you comparing that to people reacting to the immediate outcry to restrict gun rights and gun bans?

    Are you saying that acting nullified concern?
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So the ends justify the means?

    Falsifying and slanting data is morally acceptable?

    I prefer the people with guns then in a society that would find that acceptable.
    The plain fact is that you are around 40 times more likely to be shot in the US than the UK and as a consequence almost 5 times as likely to be murdered overall. If thats the sort of society you'd 'prefer' then good luck with that

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The plain fact is that you are around 40 times more likely to be shot in the US than the UK and as a consequence almost 5 times as likely to be murdered overall. If that is what you'd 'prefer' then good luck with that
    Absolutely I prefer to live here.

    I am in more danger every single day that I am on or near a road from cars (and so are you, guns in the UK or not) than I am from a gun crime or accident. And yet, I choose to accept that risk even tho I dont like it.

    The 40 times stuff is about gun crime in high crime risk areas and are mostly gang-related. Such areas get people killed in the UK too at high rates...just not with guns.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, just travel to a country where the drivers are not required to have a license at all to drive.

    Oh, thats right. No nation would allow that. Its crazy to give someone the responsibility for a contraption that kills people on a regular basis without requiring a modicum of safety training.
    That's not how our conversation was going nor what I said.. Shall I repost what I said so you get it right or do you want to re-read it and try again.
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