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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I watch people drive every day. I dispute the theory you just presented.
    Well, just travel to a country where the drivers are not required to have a license at all to drive.

    Oh, thats right. No nation would allow that. Its crazy to give someone the responsibility for a contraption that kills people on a regular basis without requiring a modicum of safety training.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Owning a gun makes sense and shooting them is fun. However many gun-obsessed take it to the next level, seems like firearms become a sexual thing. Compensating for what's lacking in other areas so to speak.
    Like people do with cars, boats, horses, planes, motorcycles, pets, beanie babies, and video games. Your point? Other than irrelevant and not having to do with guns.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Like people do with cars, boats, horses, planes, motorcycles, pets, beanie babies, and video games. Your point? Other than irrelevant and not having to do with guns.
    Guns are weapons solely designed to kill the others are not. Theres a difference

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, just travel to a country where the drivers are not required to have a license at all to drive.

    Oh, thats right. No nation would allow that. Its crazy to give someone the responsibility for a contraption that kills people on a regular basis without requiring a modicum of safety training.
    Gasoline. Knives. Forks. Axes. Shovels. Baseball bats, chain saws. Hammers. On and on that list goes.
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    Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Guns are weapons solely designed to kill the others are not. Theres a difference
    Only to someone who is afraid of guns.

    Oh and you are wrong. Numerous weapons are designed for targets. Long range, flying, medium, close range, and on and on. But hey, don't worry about facts. Just spout at falsehoods and believe them regardless of the numerous examples against that moronic theory that is so haggard, overused, and stupid that I honestly feel like countering it is like trying to counter someone who states that the earth revolves around the sun.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    You're comparing apples and oranges.

    In countries like Canada where people have to take safety courses, there is no tradition of the People using armed militias to keep the Fed in check. So it doesn't matter if their government gets to decide what "competent" means.

    In the U.S., the Second Amendment is founded upon internal defense of the People from the rise of tyranny. Letting the government decide the criteria for who can own guns and who can't creates a slippery slope of restricted access to firearms. In Canada, the average firearms course for first level (shotguns and long rifles) is $700, which means a class division of who can afford to become eligible.

    I'm in favor of restricting firearms from people who are certifiably dangerous or crazy. No law can prevent stupidity. In Canada last year a man had his gun safe open at home to clean some of his arms, and his child went into the bedroom and accidentally shot herself while he was in the next room.

    I enjoy Michael Foucaut's treatise on bio-power, whose premise is partly that in modern times, industrialized governments have become so overly concerned about preservation of life that they aggressively make prevention laws whenever a very small number of people die. As a result, we have a bloated polity and legal system due to reactionaries. We don't need to make new laws every time someone dies. We have a nation of over 330 million people -- how many people die per year due to accidental gun death vs. the total number of gun owners is miniscule.

    Reasonable laws to prevent injury and address liability are important for justice, but we can't prevent all death like the growth model wants us to. It's a law of nature... accidental death happens.
    There is no 'tradition' of using armed militias to keep the fed in check in the US.

    The fantasy that the founders wanted an armed mob is just that... a fantasy. They wanted state and local militia - you know.... 'well organized' to combat an out of control central government. The founders were not a big fan of mobs. Look at Shays rebellion, and then the Whiskey rebelliion - Washington send militia to put down a rebellion about taxes, instead of glorifying the protesters who had a righteous complaint on taxation.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Apparently those parents passed the courses for concealed carry.
    Yes and no one with a driver's license ever causes a car accident either.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Only to someone who is afraid of guns.
    Just as well that doesn't apply to me then as Falklands war veteran with two tours in Northern Ireland

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    There is no 'tradition' of using armed militias to keep the fed in check in the US.

    The fantasy that the founders wanted an armed mob is just that... a fantasy. They wanted state and local militia - you know.... 'well organized' to combat an out of control central government. The founders were not a big fan of mobs. Look at Shays rebellion, and then the Whiskey rebelliion - Washington send militia to put down a rebellion about taxes, instead of glorifying the protesters who had a righteous complaint on taxation.
    We can equivocate over what the founders may or may not have wanted, but the Second Amendment is unequivocal. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Firearms are about militias, in the case of the United States. We have created some ancillary laws to take firearms out of the hands of people with psychiatric problems or who have been convicted of felonies, for example. On the whole, the militias (and by proxy the average person's access to guns) has not been impinged upon.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Just as well that doesn't apply to me then as Falklands war veteran with two tours in Northern Ireland
    Sounds to me like you have plenty of reason to shake in your boots at the mere thought of a firearm. Wouldn't surprise me. PTSD has numerous triggers, and that could be one.
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