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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

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    I have more keys than guns so I guess I'm a key/lock fetishist.

    ...oh crap, just realized I have more passwords than keys....
    I have more pets than guns...am I a pet fetishist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    then why does the group with the highest rate of legal gun ownership has the lowest rate of gun violence?
    Switzerland has a very high rate of legal gun ownership (almost certainly higher than in the even most legal US state) yet you are still 17 times more likely to be killed by a gun there than in the UK

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Most guns used in crime are illegally possessed, yes, even in the UK.
    That he so easily acquired it from a perfectly legal source is the point you are choosing to miss. Doubtless the next one will too

    This thread isn't about extremists,
    Reading through some of the input here thats arguable

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well I dont live in the inner city, do I?

    There's a difference between crime and self defense, or dont you recognize that? Innocent people would be better off dead rather than use a firearm to save themselves? Feel free to own that. I also notice you didnt answer.

    And I have no gun fetish. I dont love guns. I have guns for specific purposes and not one extra. I dont love my guns anymore than I love my car or truck. They are tools that enable different things, that's all.
    As a female at home concerned with personal safety consider this. In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
    A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
    One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2012.pdf
    Risk Factors for Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From a Multisite Case Control Study
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    That he so easily acquired it from a perfectly legal source is the point you are choosing to miss.
    Are you suggesting that the laws requiring a backround check, registration, and baning of military arms had no impact on a criminal's ability to carry out a mass murder?

    The people of Connecticut will not be happy to hear you speak against gun control like that, especially after the Newtown shooting.

    There are no extremists present on this thread. Not even you, though you lend yourself to emotive language. An extremist is someone who's views are far outside the mainstream opinion of the general sociaty. The American general view on gun ownership is that having a handgun for personal protection is perfectly fine. You, however, want all guns banned, and that view is more removed from the American mainstream than is general approval of owning a handgun.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    As a female at home concerned with personal safety consider this. In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
    A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
    One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2012.pdf
    Risk Factors for Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From a Multisite Case Control Study
    Firearm availability and suicide, homicide, and unintentional firearm deaths among women
    The Violence Policy Center is nothing more than a gun-hating hack group. Your **** has zero credibility.

    http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/VPCandPeople.pdf
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Get that kid in uniform...what a sniper he will make.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No, I have been telling you that you have been incapable of interpreting the statistics from the first...and you have denied it.
    No unlike you I have no need to distort statistics to support an agenda. I present them and let the chips fall where they may

    I'll go find that quote. But you are the one that has waffled back and forth between intentional and accidental as you tried, ineffectually, to prove an unprovable point.
    Then went on to prove it conclusively using both child accidental and intentional death rates by firearms

    here we go, where you are more than happy to use 'overall' stats to prove your point when ignoring them here in the US
    I'm sorry I don't indulge in the hairsplitting you would like me to. I just let the facts speak for themselves

    Our overall gun deaths in the US are extremely low when compared to total gun ownership.
    They are horrific and are by many orders of magnitude the worst in the developed world as you have been shown multiple times now

    As you've been told many times, gun deaths are mainly focused on criminals, gang members, and socio-economically challenged areas.
    Thats why you were given the under 14 child gun death rates which totally flies against that argument. Just to remind 75% of all children in the developed world murdered between the ages of 5 and 14 are murdered in the US. I seriously doubt most of your gangbangers are under 14

    But *overall* the rest of America is at little risk, esp. when you consider how many guns the rest of us law-abiding citizens own.
    The numbers tell a different story with over a million Americans killed by domestic firearms over the last 3 decades. This is over double the US casualty rate for both world wars and a statistic not reflected in any other developed society

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    As a female at home concerned with personal safety consider this. In 2010, nearly 6 times more women were shot by husbands, boyfriends, and ex-partners than murdered by male strangers.
    A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than 7 times if he has access to a gun.
    One study found that women in states with higher gun ownership rates were 4.9 times more likely to be murdered by a gun than women in states with lower gun ownership rates.

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2012.pdf
    Risk Factors for Femicide in Abusive Relationships: Results From a Multisite Case Control Study
    Firearm availability and suicide, homicide, and unintentional firearm deaths among women
    Your source advocates policey, which disqualifies it as a valid source for debate puropses.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Violence Policy Center is nothing more than a gun-hating hack group. Your **** has zero credibility.

    http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/VPCandPeople.pdf
    By all means prove their figures are in error. Ironic that you try and smear this site using finances given the multibillion dollar lobbying the NRA gets up to

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