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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So I live in a rural area. What do I do when multiple intruders (unfortunately it happens weekly in the Seattle metro area) break into my place at night? They dont even need guns to be a lethal threat to me. The cops are 15 minutes away, best case scenario.

    How should I defend myself? I have training and preparations to try and do so. How do you suggest I do so?

    Or any family in the same situation, of which there are millions across America?
    Not massively exaggerate the threat in order to validate your fetish perhaps

    First its supposed to be just the deprived inner city ghettos now its rural areas getting multiple intruders, and all this in a country thats supposed to be much less violent and more law abiding than the UK because of its guns !
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes he does that. He cant manage to twist the data to fit his spiel and then keeps changing the goal posts, like between intentional (criminal) and accidental shootings.
    I've done nothing of the sort. I've simply presented the data and you've then rejected it out of hand so your wilful blindness is your own fault

    Moving on ......
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I've done nothing of the sort. I've simply presented the data and you've then rejected it out of hand so your wilful blindness is your own fault

    Moving on ......
    You keep moving on when you cant answer. Like when you punted instead of telling me which you were going to focus on...or focus on separately...intentional or accidental data. I nailed you to the wall on intentional when you posted your 'overall' stats for the UK.

    I should go back and get that quote.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You keep moving on when you cant answer. Like when you punted instead of telling me which you were going to focus on...or focus on separately...intentional or accidental data. I nailed you to the wall on intentional when you posted your 'overall' stats for the UK.
    It was you decided that accidental and intentional meant the same thing not me. Basically everything after that has been your attempt to shoot the messenger

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Yet it was still so easy for them to get them nonetheless. Blaming the symptoms for the problem again



    Anybody being murdered is bad. Its the expedient lethality of firearms that makes it far easier and more prevelent in the States
    then why does the group with the highest rate of legal gun ownership has the lowest rate of gun violence?



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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    then why does the group with the highest rate of legal gun ownership has the lowest rate of gun violence?
    Obviously it's magic.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And very possibly the next guy could do the same next time.
    Most guns used in crime are illegally possessed, yes, even in the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And while gun extremists are allowed to indulge their fetishes there will of course be many next times
    This thread isn't about extremists, just your regular joe who happens to own a handgun. In fact if you consider OP, the gun owner this story is about hardly gave a thought about her gun at all. I don't think you know what "fetish" actually means.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Not massively exaggerate the threat in order to validate your fetish perhaps

    First its supposed to be just the deprived inner city ghettos now its rural areas getting multiple intruders, and all this in a country thats supposed to be much less violent and more law abiding than the UK because of its guns !
    Well I dont live in the inner city, do I?

    There's a difference between crime and self defense, or dont you recognize that? Innocent people would be better off dead rather than use a firearm to save themselves? Feel free to own that. I also notice you didnt answer.

    And I have no gun fetish. I dont love guns. I have guns for specific purposes and not one extra. I dont love my guns anymore than I love my car or truck. They are tools that enable different things, that's all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It was you decided that accidental and intentional meant the same thing not me. Basically everything after that has been your attempt to shoot the messenger
    No, I have been telling you that you have been incapable of interpreting the statistics from the first...and you have denied it. And proved yourself wrong as well. I'll go find that quote. But you are the one that has waffled back and forth between intentional and accidental as you tried, ineffectually, to prove an unprovable point.

    here we go, where you are more than happy to use 'overall' stats to prove your point when ignoring them here in the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Most violent in Europe ? Have you ever visited it ? On the contrary our overall official crime stats are the lowest since 1981 so it looks like all those gun bans have been helping

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/a...ficial-figures
    Our overall gun deaths in the US are extremely low when compared to total gun ownership. As you've been told many times, gun deaths are mainly focused on criminals, gang members, and socio-economically challenged areas.

    But *overall* the rest of America is at little risk, esp. when you consider how many guns the rest of us law-abiding citizens own.

    Like I said, your interpretation is a giant fail. (odd since you seem to understand the difference for your 'overall crime rates' which are affected by the exact same things...criminals, gangs, socio-economically challenged areas...NOT the same all over the country.)
    Last edited by Lursa; 02-06-15 at 03:17 AM. Reason: quote added
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well I dont live in the inner city, do I?

    There's a difference between crime and self defense, or dont you recognize that? Innocent people would be better off dead rather than use a firearm to save themselves? Feel free to own that. I also notice you didnt answer.

    And I have no gun fetish. I dont love guns. I have guns for specific purposes and not one extra. I dont love my guns anymore than I love my car or truck. They are tools that enable different things, that's all.
    I have more keys than guns so I guess I'm a key/lock fetishist.

    ...oh crap, just realized I have more passwords than keys....

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