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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Keep repeating your scriptures all you like if it makes you feel better but guns clearly blight your society and you've been shown ample study evidence for that . Going into denial about it won't make it go away. If you choose not to accept it then I certainly cannot make you.
    Ah...no more ability to refute my arguments so....attack. Of course I dont accept any of your incorrect suppositions.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And you are clearly unwilling to acknowlege that the vast majority of intentional deaths by firearms in the US are criminals and gang members. And some suicides. The criminals and gang members are not missed by "America." (one could almost consider it a public service if the guns help them exterminate each other). And the suicides are a mental illness problem, sad but the rest of us should not be punished for that.
    about 80% of those murdered and about 80% of those who murder cannot legally own firearms due to felony records some in the remaining 20% are juveniles with the equivalent of felony offenses but those are sealed



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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Repeating the same defensive mantra over and over again doesn't make you right as the facts clearly illustrate

    Gun deaths in children: Statistics show firearms endanger kids despite NRA safety programs.
    we really don't care what Britains think about our 2A rights. The collective bed wetting England engaged in after Dunblane has made that nation a laughingstock to those of us who figure governments that don't trust their citizens to have handguns is government that should be ridiculed constantly



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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Toddler was a good shot, too bad the parents were stupid enough to leave wife's purse with a loaded gun in it for the kid to reach.

    More irresponsibility from gun owners.

    Authorities have taken their child away from them for the time being, but maybe too late.
    Silly gun grabber, he just needs more range time....

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not sure that is accurate.
    It is. Indeed it is even four times higher than the next worst which is Switzerland. Unsurprisingly Switzerland has also the second highest rate of guns in homes. Plenty of evidence for these claims already linked throughout this thread

    75% of murders being by firearm is a slight exaggeration - it is actually 70%, I believe.
    Your own FBI claims 72% but either way its hardly flattering is it ?

    Not sure what exactly you mean by "casual access to firearms".
    I mean unrestricted and unmonitored

    This apparently reduces the number of official "homicides" about 15%, and has a larger impact on gun-related homicide numbers.
    Our gun homicide rate in the UK is roughly on a par with the number killed in lightning strikes each year. Its not exactly something we have to worry about

    Edit: Actually that article makes another point several times - in their opinion, this data does not provide a good picture of things - many other factors are involved in murder rate and such, not simply # of murders compared to # of gun murders, or # of guns available.
    The great bulk of your murders are committed by firearms. Take them out of the equation and US overall murder rates would not be much different to that of most other developed countries

    They mention that Switzerland has quite high access to firearms, as every adult male between 18 and 42 has to have a government-issued firearm in their home.
    And as a consequence of that in Switzerland you are no less than 17 times more likely to be killed by a firearm than in the UK

    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Israel has similar situation - it has much higher gun access rates than it's listed gun ownership rates, because most of the firearms are government-owned, even if they're present in the home of whomever they are issued to.
    As a consequence in Israel you are nearly 8 times more likely to be killed by a firearm than in the UK

    For example there are probably people in the US with 10s or hundreds of guns they personally own - but they're locked in safes or the like (especially if collectables/antiques, I presume) and far less accessible than, say, a handgun in a bedside table drawer, or whatever.
    As linked studies earlier showed. In gun owning US households 43% of keep a firearm unlocked and loaded within the home and 73% of children under 12 know where these firearms are kept so It appears the parents in the OP were not as uniquely irresponsible as they have been painted. The number of school massacres can be put into proper context once you absorb such facts
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    To cut a long story short this is a trivial matter, no issues.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    To cut a long story short this is a trivial matter, no issues.
    Sure as long as the lethal toys are safe why care about the casualties ... as long as it isn't you or yours of course
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Sure as long as the lethal toys are safe why care about the casualties ... as long as it isn't you or yours of course
    Gun laws won't work with you guys. So live with it.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Gun laws won't work with you guys. So live with it.
    On the contrary they do work extremely well .

    For example we certainly don't get our toddlers shooting their parents here

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Prove it ?
    Ok:


    Sources used in the video:



    Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive
    Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?
    A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.
    Din B. Kates* and Gary Mauser**


    The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

    The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:
    Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population)
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    EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
    In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.

    <snip>
    Few who lived in Washington during the 1970s can forget the upswing in crime that started right after the ban was originally passed. In the five years before the 1977 ban, the murder rate fell from 37 to 27 murders per 100,000. In the five years after the gun ban went into effect, the murder rate rose back up to 35. One fact is particularly hard to ignore: D.C.'s murder rate fluctuated after 1976 but only once fell below what it was in 1976 before the ban. That aberration happened years later, in 1985.

    This correlation between the D.C. gun ban and diminished safety was not a coincidence. Look at the Windy City. Immediately after Chicago banned handguns in 1982, the murder rate, which had been falling almost continually for a decade, started to rise. Chicago's murder rate rose relative to other large cities as well. The phenomenon of higher murder rates after gun bans are passed is not just limited to the United States. Every single time a country has passed a gun ban, its murder rate soared.


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