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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    have to wonder how Europeans claim to have any ground to question the American education system when someone like yourself continually 'misspeaks'.
    This is playing to the gallery of course. I'm pretty sure you really knew what I meant.

    Maybe Europeans shoot first and ask questions later, but here in America we shoot only when we have no other option.
    Actually we tend to not shoot at all. We live longer that way

    Having a gun is about keeping that last resort on the table. About 1/3rd of the time, simply displaying the gun stops the attack cold
    But if your society is allegedly so much more law abiding then this kind of overkill would not be necessary. Judging by your statistics that 'last resort' seems to be arrived at rather too often

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The worst crime on the books is surely murder.
    "Worst" is a moral judgment, an opinion. I personally believe child sex offences are worse than murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Your murder rates are by far the highest in the developed world because of mass casual access to firearms which are used in three quarters of them.
    I look forward to checking your link to the data you've already read which leads you to that assumption.

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    Since we introduced comprehensive gun controls over recent decades our already low gun crime has significantly diminished and our criminal fraternity now find it far more difficult and expensive to acquire them.
    Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center

    What your government did to fool you is to record the data in a different way. Please take some time to educate yourself on the topic before posting further.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    This is playing to the gallery of course. I'm pretty sure you really knew what I meant.
    That honestly sounded like you were accusing me of a crime, something this forum would ban you for if you confirmed you were making a murder accusation.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Worst" is a moral judgment, an opinion.
    Eh ?

    I look forward to checking your link to the data you've already read which leads you to that assumption.
    Already posted on this thread

    url=http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/]Murder and homicide rates before and after gun bans - Crime Prevention Research Center[/url
    Gun crime in the UK is at a 20 year low and continues to fall

    Vandalism and gun crime fall to 20-year low | Positive News

    This is mirrored by a record low across the board for most crimes in the UK

    Crime at lowest level for 30 years | UK news | The Guardian

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Gun crime in the UK is at a 20 year low and continues to fall

    Vandalism and gun crime fall to 20-year low | Positive News

    This is mirrored by a record low across the board for most crimes in the UK

    Crime at lowest level for 30 years | UK news | The Guardian
    Unrelated with gun legislation, note. I bet if you truly look into those crime rates you will find strong correlations to sound fiscal policy.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Unrelated with gun legislation,
    Prove it ?

    Meanwhile

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I've answered this already ..... twice !
    No, you've tried to say that guns make most Americans unsafe and your link proved that.

    It did not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    But in fact Norway has seven times the gun death rate of the UK per 100,000 so whats your point ?



    Most violent in Europe ? Have you ever visited it ? On the contrary our overall official crime stats are the lowest since 1981 so it looks like all those gun bans have been helping

    Crime at lowest level for 30 years | UK news | The Guardian

    Ha ha ha ha ha

    Bingo! *overall* Because MOST of the UK is safe except for the socio-economic areas where the criminals and gangs are focused.


    Oh Lordie, did you finally get it?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The point is your lethal response is your first response rather than the last on far too many occassions as is borne out by your stats
    No, that's illegal unless lethal force is warranted. And the legal standards for that are quite high. You have to be in immediate danger of death or gross bodily harm. (Some variation from state to state)

    And as already noted....the dead people are mostly criminals and dont obey the laws.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It could just as easily been so, as happens many times every day over there

    Who cares as long as the guns are protected. Thats all that matters to most respondents here it seems
    True and very sad about the accidents but they are still much less than kid deaths from vehicles and car accidents. More on par with drowning deaths. Are we supposed to outlaw swimming and pools?

    Accidents happen and yes, we are trying to overcome those things with education and more training. But there are idiots everywhere and their kids are never safe
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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