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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    You are right that it does not matter just not for the reason you think. As for the car=weapons argument I agree with you comparing the two is ridiculous. That was what I was pointing out in my response to someone who was trying to compare the two.

    That being said your argument to Constitutionality of gun control is pertinent.

    If you are going to argue from the strict constructionist point of view then you the Constitution would only grant you the right to bear arms that were in existence at the time of the Constitution. Therefore you would have the unfettered right to own any number of muzzle loading black powder guns you wish. That along with swords, black powder cannonade and mortars you are more than welcome to own free of regulation by the government. However since modern weapons are not included under a strict constructionist interpretation then they can be regulated as much or as little as the legislature sees fit unfettered by Constitutional constraints. Even if you take a more liberal strict constructionist view and believe that the fore fathers could envision automatic weapons and such there is still no Constitutional impediment to regulating gun ownership in order to promote the general welfare as it is clear that machine solely designed to maim and kill is a public health hazard and as such under the general welfare clause Congress does have the power to legislate legislation as long as that legislation does not outright ban weapons.

    If you are broad constructionist than it there is no Constitutional impediment because the congress shall have the power to legislate gun control under the necessary proper clause. Either way meaningful, legitimate gun control IS Constitutional by any measure you want to stand it up to.

    If you are arguing from
    Blah, Blah, Blah...

    Off to one of the gun rights threads with you, dude.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Odd, to me I don't see "guns" in the text.

    I see arms--- which is short for armaments, which depending on whether one strictly or loosely interprets the document and the founders' intents...

    At the time it meant knives, bows, muskets, etc.

    At the time it was to prevent government tyranny. What would those 3 weapons do against an f16 missiling you from 20 miles?

    If you *want* to extend its meaning to 9mm, ak47, and modern GUNS, why do you ignore all other MODERN ARMS?


    You see, if you actually, read, think, and pause before posting, you can avoid looking so foolish. If the 2A were about "guns", guns would be in its text explicitly.
    not much other than using a rifle to kill whomever ordered that jet to shoot missiles at American citizens

    the 2A was about the arms citizens normally would own and be able to keep, bear, use and possess as individuals

    rifles, shotguns, pistols, sabers, dirks, rapiers, spears, poleaxes, crossbows etc



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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    It might save you some time to mean what you say, and say what you mean. I didn't hold a gun to your head when you said the 2A actually mentioned guns explicitly.
    I didn't say "the 2A mentioned guns explicitly".

    Are you trying to put words in my mouth again? You've done that enough to know I'll just reject your tactic.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I didn't say "the 2A mentioned guns explicitly".

    Are you trying to put words in my mouth again? You've done that enough to know I'll just reject your tactic.
    you said

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There is only one problem with your anti-gun rant...in your comparison of guns to cars: There is no Constitutional right to own or operate a car.

    ctrl+f
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    Sorry that a strict reading undermines your position.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    What is the connection between vehicles and guns. None.
    Incorrect: attitudes about death, injury, usage, and machines.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    you said




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    Sorry that a strict reading undermines your position.
    I hear Bill Clinton is still arguing about the meaning of the word "is", and Obama is still trying to define what it is to "lie".

    You are in good company, but it's not my kind of company.
    Last edited by Mycroft; 02-02-15 at 10:01 PM.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    An nuclear warhead is an inanimate object too so shouild we just let everyone have one of those ?
    Ha ha, so you didnt take a hint from the ridicule the other person got with their silly hyperbolic example, eh? Well please feel free to recycle it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There is only one problem with your anti-gun rant...in your comparison of guns to cars: There is no Constitutional right to own or operate a car.
    I agree that's a difference but the accidents and body counts/injuries and comparisons to licensing/training do have some crossover IMO for illustrative purposes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, because frankly, I dont believe that no data support it. If so, why is it offered at all, then?

    While its nice to see your correlations, they do not necessarily lead to causation since there are a massive number of other factors at play. But common sense tells us that safety training is a good thing.
    I took training that I paid for. Voluntarily. So 'why is training offered at all' is one of the least intelligent things I've read here yet. People do want training. People do pay for it or get it in other ways.

    Again, we're talking about mandatory training and why it needs to be mandated if there's no evidence that training is lacking? And if you dont believe there's no data to support it, please find some. (Obviously I cant find something that doesnt exist but in many discussions on gun forums where there are gun owners that believe as you do....none has turned up.)

    I love that you miss the entire point I was making...AGAIN. No one...and this is where you screwed up with Capt. Courtesy...EVER said that training wasnt a good idea. My point is that there is no evidence that mandating training would make any difference. So why impose more govt and more $$ and more restrictions on people? Man, I ****ing HATE 'feel good' legislation that actually means nothing.
    Last edited by Lursa; 02-02-15 at 10:16 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I agree that's a difference but the accidents and body counts/injuries and comparisons to licensing/training do have some crossover IMO for illustrative purposes.
    shrug...

    Then perhaps we should require one to get a license to own and operate a swimming pool.

    Of course, you can't compare swimming pools to guns, either. You know...that 2nd Amendment thing.
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