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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    As long as you are responsible and keep your pipe bomb away from kids....what's the problem? You are right...inanimate objects are not generally a danger to others.
    An nuclear warhead is an inanimate object too so shouild we just let everyone have one of those ?

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    An nuclear warhead is an inanimate object too so shouild we just let everyone have one of those ?
    Oh, boy...the hyperbole is running rampant in this thread right now.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Again, this is psychosis example number 1. A car is DESIGNED to transport people from one place to another. A gun, particularly a handgun, is DESIGNED to kill and maim people. A vehicle is not. Besides we have literally hundreds of laws on the books restricting who can own vehicle, who can drive a vehicle, under which conditions they drive a vehicle. We have strict licensing protocols for operating a vehicle. If you violate any one of these laws and injure or kill someone you almost certainly will go jail.

    Now take gun laws. The only legislation restricting gun ownership from the gun rights advocates point of view is minimal or nonexistent. Licensing is considered a way to track gun owners in order to confiscate their guns...psychosis. Laws restricting the ability purchase guns is seen as attempt to prevent anyone from ever purchasing a gun...psychosis. Laws preventing people from carrying guns are seen as actively preventing people from defending themselves...psychosis.

    To more directly answer your first question...The near unfettered availability of guns in this country is directly responsible for large amount of gun violence in this country. That is a no-brainer. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling you something...probably guns.
    There is only one problem with your anti-gun rant...in your comparison of guns to cars: There is no Constitutional right to own or operate a car.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Toddler was a good shot, too bad the parents were stupid enough to leave wife's purse with a loaded gun in it for the kid to reach.

    More irresponsibility from gun owners.

    Authorities have taken their child away from them for the time being, but maybe too late.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well there's something to be said about Darwinism.
    Except that they obviously bred, already

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There is only one problem with your anti-gun rant...in your comparison of guns to cars: There is no Constitutional right to own or operate a car.

    There isn't actually one for guns, either.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    There isn't actually one for guns, either.
    Ummm...

    Perhaps you haven't ever heard of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America?

    If not, you really have no business commenting in a thread like this.


    (btw, I won't tell you to go read it. If you want, I'll post a quote and a link for you.)
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...

    Perhaps you haven't ever heard of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America?

    If not, you really have no business commenting in a thread like this.
    please cite its DIRECT text.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    So what? You are just as dead or injured in either case. How does that matter? If anything, it demonstrates that guns fulfill their purpose properly and cars are misused in the extreme and their design **is not safe.**
    Exactly my point. Vehicles are not inherently unsafe. They can be unsafe if misused. This is why we have strict regulations on their operations. Regulations generally lacking for guns which are designed to be dangerous.

    I am glad you concede the point that a gun killing or maiming someone is an example of it working properly. Therefore is something that is inherently dangerous should have just as much regulation as something not inherently unsafe. Ergo we need stricter gun control regulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    And yet the death and injury toll is so much higher, with all those laws and restrictions. They dont seem to be working well enough. They do not *keep people safe from cars.* Why would you expect different results when applied to guns? (Shall I quote Einstein and remind what he said about doing the same thing and expecting a different result?)
    This is a falsehood. The vehicle regulations save thousands of lives each year. Without the regulations we have in place now vehicle deaths would skyrocket.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Why do you think registration is required? It is definitely to track who owns a particular gun(s) and one potential reason would be confiscation. I'll ignore your insults as you dont seem to have a very good grasp of this issue or reality.
    Resorting to ad-hom attacks does not serve your purpose well. That being said, registration is the first step to holding gun owners accountable. It is not to track ownership in order to confiscate guns. That is conspiracy theory nonsense that has no basis in reality. If you are forced to license your self in order to purchase guns we can then begin to realistically limit the ownership of guns to people without mental health issues, propensity for violence by criminal record etc. etc. We can also begin meaningful gun safety training. With that licensure comes responsibility and we can begin holding people properly responsible for their gun ownership.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Of course it can do that. Background checks are different in each state but they cover varying levels of mental illness diagnoses and criminal behavior. So it's FACT that using background checks to restrict gun purchases can prevent someone from ever purchasing a gun commercially. So, again, you might want to reexamine the 'psychosis' label...
    As has been pointed out numerous times by numerous people in almost limitless times...background checks are not effective as long as you have ways around them. The psychosis comes in when these obvious loopholes are pointed out and still guns rights advocates do not want to close them. If you were serious about allowing background checks for purchasing guns you would not have any problem closing all the loopholes in the system. Most notoriously in gun shows. If you are in favor of across the board background checks 100% of the time you are purchasing a gun then your psychosis is cured. If you believe there should be loopholes you still have psychosis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    It doesnt prevent them from defending themselves, it removes a valid option for doing so. What gives you the right to gamble with other people's lives by telling them what they can use to save their own lives or their families? Do you know their jobs, their neighborhoods, their circumstances?

    I have never seen a single record of an innocent bystander being shot when a concealed carrier used their firearm in public. So, apparently you have a very active imagination which has enabled an irrational fear. (Hmmm....there are those labels again!)
    That is only because you do not read about it. There multiple examples of this.

    Concealed carry holder misses attacker in Cleveland road rage incident; shoots another man | cleveland.com

    Mikeb302000: South Carolina Gun Owner Shoots and Kills an Innocent Bystander and Blames the "Bad Guys" He Was Aiming At

    Argument leads to shots fired, innocent bystander wounded in Milwaukee | FOX6Now.com

    There are plenty of others if you want to dig.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There is only one problem with your anti-gun rant...in your comparison of guns to cars: There is no Constitutional right to own or operate a car.
    I take it then from post that you are strict constructionist on the Constitution?

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