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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

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    Guns with children within the area is truly ignorant, leaving a loaded gun lying around is even stupider, guns, for people who don't follow certain safety rules is a problem.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I am in more danger every single day that I am on or near a road from cars (and so are you, guns in the UK or not) than I am from a gun crime or accident. And yet, I choose to accept that risk even tho I dont like it.
    So why is accepting the additional risk of violent death by firearm a good thing ?

    The 40 times stuff is about gun crime in high crime risk areas and are mostly gang-related. Such areas get people killed in the UK too at high rates...just not with guns
    Nope those are national averages

    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

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    That's not how our conversation was going nor what I said.. Shall I repost what I said so you get it right or do you want to re-read it and try again.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So why is accepting the additional risk of violent death by firearm a good thing ?



    Nope those are national averages

    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That link doesnt remotely prove that what I wrote was wrong. ???? It's broken down at a national level, not by socio-economics or crime. And I dont particularly care about suicides....cruel? I dont think so. Millions of other Americans shouldnt be punished for someone else's mental illness. And it doesnt present a danger to others, more the opposite possibly.

    As for your first comment, see my signature below in blue. You may not understand it, not being an American. You assume an additional risk. To whom? Most of us have them to reduce risk to ourselves and families. And most find that works very successfully. Certainly more so than driving ourselves and families in our cars and getting them killed or injured.
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So why is accepting the additional risk of violent death by firearm a good thing ?



    Nope those are national averages

    List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    National averages skewed by a handful of violent cities.

    If only we let the south secede as they wanted the US would have a comparable murder rate to the UK.

    People aren't getting killed in seattle and Minneapolis where gun ownership is easy. Or in Landers Wyoming, or in Portland (main and Oregon) or Derby Line Vermont.

    They're getting killed in Chicago, LA, and Wash DC, and in Atlanta, NO, etc
    Basically coinciding with poverty in dense urban areas. So the gun violence is clustered whereas gun ownership is spread out. Meaning gun laws are irrelevant in the equation
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That link doesnt remotely prove that what I wrote was wrong. ????
    Of course it does

    It's broken down at a national level, not by socio-economics or crime. And I dont particularly care about suicides....cruel? I dont think so. Millions of other Americans shouldnt be punished for someone else's mental illness. And it doesnt present a danger to others, more the opposite possibly.
    Such attempted hairsplitting doesn't trump the simple math of this

    As for your first comment, see my signature below in blue. You may not understand it, not being an American. You assume an additional risk. To whom? Most of us have them to reduce risk to ourselves and families. And most find that works very successfully. Certainly more so than driving ourselves and families in our cars and getting them killed or injured.
    I'm just curious about why you would unnecessarily choose to put yourself and your family at a considerable additional (and yet wholly avoidable) risk by keeping a firearm near them. I'm assuming you are a gun owner so why would anyone choose to have lets say an AR 15 or an AK 47 in their lives ?

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    National averages skewed by a handful of violent cities.

    If only we let the south secede as they wanted the US would have a comparable murder rate to the UK.

    People aren't getting killed in seattle and Minneapolis where gun ownership is easy. Or in Landers Wyoming, or in Portland (main and Oregon) or Derby Line Vermont.

    They're getting killed in Chicago, LA, and Wash DC, and in Atlanta, NO, etc
    Basically coinciding with poverty in dense urban areas. So the gun violence is clustered whereas gun ownership is spread out. Meaning gun laws are irrelevant in the equation
    These are national averages they make no distinction between your states and cities some of which are doubtless a lot worse than the stats presented here

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And I applaud them for that
    For being dishonest and using studies that on purpose used subjective, vague and misleading criteria to arrive at a predetermined conclusion ?

    No one deserves an applaud for publishing propaganda.

    Appaud those who have the character and courage to be objective and truthful.

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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Well then I guess because of a handful of incidences then we should yank the 310 million plus firearms out of the hands of citizens.(sarcasm)
    This is why it is impossible to talk to gun people. To them, there just isn't anything between "private ownership of antitank missiles" and "confiscate every gun and any device that makes loud gun-like noises."
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    Re: Toddler wounds both parents with 1 shot from handgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I think I made my point.

    Saying some drivers are bad does not translate into thinking driving tests are worthless.
    Which had nothing to do with my point and refuted nothing I said. If you want to be dishonest about my position, I'm going to confront you until you get it right. If you're just here to soapbox, don't quote other people's posts.
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