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Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

jmotivator said:
It shouldn't need to be pointed out that Clinton isn't currently holding any office. The current Democratic administration and the majority of Democrat supporters on this site have ruled out boots on the ground. Clinton is the exception, but since she is a Clinton I have no doubt she will change her position to appeal to the Democrat base in time for the elections anyway.
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She will "evolve" (thats what dems call flip flopping) as is suits her politics.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If you think that the left cannot defeat ISIS, and you are a self professed member of the right, assuming you are between 18 and 50, why do go over to Iraq and fight with the Peshmerga against ISIS? Or do you just want others to fight your wars as is typical of the warmongering right.
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More intellectually lazy thinking. The military carries out the policies of a civilian govt.
Tell you what-you get taxes and legislation changed so that only those that agree with them have to abide and I will go fight ISIS.
See how silly your argument is? :2wave:
 
Fearandloathing said:
Nope.


But I am on methatrexate, an immune suppressant for psoriasis, however we have found no connection, my dermatologist has me liver function test ever three months
But there is a white coat effect as well....or rather a comorbidity effect. The stress of keeping balance, headaches, etc and the suddenness of a meniere's attack raises sugar levels...the betahistine fuels it.

My doc and I go back 36 years. We were drinking buddies at the same pub, we chased women together and inhaled. He is a no nonsense guy and eats bureaucrats. Glad he had kids late so he still has to work.....

We worry about the big ones, heart, diabetes, cancer. I beat alcoholism, smoking, hypertension, a question mark about my heart and diabetes. My doc says I am criminally healthy considering where I've been and who I've done...

But I walk with a cane, I have mild osteo arthritis in my upper back [Voltaren Cream], have insomnia, some foot issues and other wear and tear for which there is no cure, only treatment and no sympathy. One day some years ago I was fighting what we thought was pink eye, was sleep deprived and sick, I learned at that visit that A) I was a diabetic. B, I had Iritis, an immune disorder where the body decrees your eye is a foreign object and must die and C X-rays of my back showed growing cracks etc in my upper vertebrea.....

Trying not to loose it I said "Am I going to live?"

His stone faced reply: "No"
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Isn't life a mofo? If nothing else sounds like you got some cool experiences out of it though. Iritis can be incredibly painful. Do you have an orthopedist for what sounds like stress fractures? Some meds can make that worse.
 
US Conservative said:
More intellectually lazy thinking. The military carries out the policies of a civilian govt.
Tell you what-you get taxes and legislation changed so that only those that agree with them have to abide and I will go fight ISIS.
See how silly your argument is? :2wave:
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Well the majority of civilians - the voters you know - do not want us to go back into Iraq. So you are on the losing end of that argument. So if it is that important to you then go over there and help out the Peshmerga yourself.
 
Erod said:
This whole thing is simple.

Do you want to fight them now as they are?

Or do you want to wait and fight them as they will become?

There'll be no choice but to fight them eventually.
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ISIS in five years will be of course worse, and we will have shown the world that despite fighting a war on terror, we would allow such a state to exist for so long-inviting and inspiring others.
 
US Conservative said:
Walk on eggshells for the rest of your days. At times, try to recall what courage is.
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More of the insanity of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. There is a reason that things are getting worse in the ME and it isn't because of the lack of US military involvement.
 
US Conservative said:
Isn't life a mofo? If nothing else sounds like you got some cool experiences out of it though. Iritis can be incredibly painful. Do you have an orthopedist for what sounds like stress fractures? Some meds can make that worse.
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The osteo is so minor that it isn't an issue if I refrain from logging, masonry, dry walling and pruning large hedges.

I am so covered with endo's, an opthamologist, dermatologist, cardiologist etc., I just show up whenever.....

The mofo is that I am way too healthy to have to do this
 
Caine said:
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Roosevelt's big stick diplomacy. I like it.
 
Gill said:
Yeah FandL, what's wrong with you???

We're not here to discuss the origins of ISIS and the mistakes made in the past by America's leaders on the best way to handle them. We are also not here to talk about Walker's ideas on how he would take care of the murderers if he is elected.

The only purpose of this discussion is to insult fellow posters. Get with the program.
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My bad Gill....

I forgot winning is when you manage to call someone an asshole without actually breaking the rules.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well the majority of civilians - the voters you know - do not want us to go back into Iraq. So you are on the losing end of that argument. So if it is that important to you then go over there and help out the Peshmerga yourself.
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Last I checked it wasn't decided by polling. And like I said-get the laws changed so that only those agree have to follow and get back to me. :2wave:
 
iguanaman said:
More of the insanity of doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. There is a reason that things are getting worse in the ME and it isn't because of the lack of US military involvement.
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Funny, its almost like you have forgotten the threads subject-that ISIS rose because of precisely a lack of US military involvement.
 
Fearandloathing said:
The osteo is so minor that it isn't an issue if I refrain from logging, masonry, dry walling and pruning large hedges.

I am so covered with endo's, an opthamologist, dermatologist, cardiologist etc., I just show up whenever.....

The mofo is that I am way too healthy to have to do this
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Just keep ahead of it, thats where you want to be.
 
US Conservative said:
Funny, its almost like you have forgotten the threads subject-that ISIS rose because of precisely a lack of US military involvement.
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So 100's of 1000's of troops for 10 years is "lack of military involvement"? More absurdity. We tried that and it failed miserably and made things worse. It is time to try something else....anything else.
 
Caine said:
I challenge anyone to back up any claim that terrorism..... an international crime at best......... can truely threaten our freedom.



If anything.... we have lost freedoms over the pursuit of international criminals.
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It already has son, it already has...

The NSA is reading this as I type it, they know who you have been calling..

before 911 you could get on a plane simply with a boarding pass...now someone has to look up your ass and check whether you have a hat pin.

Tell the families of the 3500 plus victims of 911 that their freedoms have not been threatened, and have a face-to-face with a survivor, better yet one of the thousands of first responders.

And tell it to the women and children in Syria and Iraq who live in abject fear of being beheaded.

Pull your head out of the darkest place on earth and look around....in you haven't noticed, cartoonists in Paris are being slaughtered where they work....

And, since you have such a strong "attitude" it might be well to remind you that the United States was invented through this process....no internet, they had to meet face to face usually armed in those days, and talk, debate and sometimes argue about what to do, what has been done and who did it.

As well, the practice continues, not everywhere, just where they have governments...people represent other people and they talk, debate and sometimes argue about what was done and what should be done by whom. It is called participatory government and you would be surprised to learn that most countries, even bad, bad Cuba has that.

And, now please prepare yourself, they often play....are you sitting?...one up man ship.

So, for what you want, I am afraid there is no place I know of that would allow you to shout at people at length and expect them to simply listen.

And, actually defending what you post might prevent people from laughing...
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
My assertion is that ISIS is the new name for Al Qaeda in Iraq, which came into being after we invaded Iraq in 2004. Furthermore, that its precursor organization was working with a Kurdish militant organization prior to the war in Iraq that was hostile to Saddam.

Your assertion as far as I can tell is that ISIS would be a problem today even if we never went into Iraq and I don't think that history in anyway backs your assertion.
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Based on what?


First your Mr. Obama aid there was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq, now he says ISIS is an offshoot.


But does it matter? They said all was cool in Iraq, no terrorists to speak of..

but there were, enough that we now have a war. Who gives a **** about what name they happen to be using...they are Islamic Terrorists slaughtering people in the name of Allah....

End of story
 
US Conservative said:
Last I checked it wasn't decided by polling. And like I said-get the laws changed so that only those agree have to follow and get back to me. :2wave:
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What you don't seem to understand is the vast majority of voters are hell bent against going into Iraq again. So we are not going to do it. You have sit here through God knows how many posts accusing the left of losing wars and basically of cowardice in the face of a threat, but your ass sure as hell is not planning on going over there to fight this war you want the United States to commit to even though you are almost certainly of fighting age and I would assume physically able.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Based on what?


First your Mr. Obama aid there was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq, now he says ISIS is an offshoot.


But does it matter? They said all was cool in Iraq, no terrorists to speak of..

but there were, enough that we now have a war. Who gives a **** about what name they happen to be using...they are Islamic Terrorists slaughtering people in the name of Allah....

End of story
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Yes, circumstances and details are irrelevant when it comes to warmongering. :roll:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What you don't seem to understand is the vast majority of voters are hell bent against going into Iraq again. So we are not going to do it. You have sit here through God knows how many posts accusing the left of losing wars and basically of cowardice in the face of a threat, but your ass sure as hell is not planning on going over there to fight this war you want the United States to commit to even though you are almost certainly of fighting age and I would assume physically able.
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I dont think anybody WANTS to go back it. Thats not the same thing as what we have already done and are doing.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, circumstances and details are irrelevant when it comes to warmongering. :roll:
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Details is what I asked for, but thank you for that refresher course in leftist debate tactics.

On what do you base your assertions?

What details, facts, intelligence, rumor, White House lie, whatever is there that you draw such sweeping conclusions?

Warmongering? Please make a case where I have done so, and skip the cheap theatrics, just answer the ****ing question...
 
Fearandloathing said:
Details is what I asked for, but thank you for that refresher course in leftist debate tactics.

On what do you base your assertions?

What details, facts, intelligence, rumor, White House lie, whatever is there that you draw such sweeping conclusions?

Warmongering? Please make a case where I have done so, and skip the cheap theatrics, just answer the ****ing question...
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You obviously haven't read the thread then.

The discussion you are responding to pertained to the origin of ISIS. It was my contention that ISIS would not exist were it for our going into Iraq in the first place back in 2003 and that going back in is pointless when the real problem is that the government of Iraq is so corrupt and inept that it cannot defeat ISIS in its own country when most estimates put the total size of ISIS in both Syria and Iraq as just 30,000 or so militants while the Iraqi Defense Force constitutes 271,500 active personnel and 528,000 in reserve (Iraqi Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Even if some how we miraculously killed every single member of ISIS overnight, it would only be a matter of time before another Islamist group took its place. If a nation with a military the size of the one we left Iraq with cannot defend itself against just 30,000 militants, then what can we do other than occupy the nation indefinitely.

Moreover, origins of a terrorist organization do indeed matter because we don't want to simply create more such organizations by our actions. The entire neo-conservative ideology as it relates to terrorism was built around the notion that our containing and or supporting strong man dictators in the Middle East was the central catalyst for Islamic extremism and that by democratizing the Middle East we remove that catalyst for the creation of extremists. The traditional conservatives as well as many moderates believed that the only thing keeping radical Islam in check in much of the Middle East was the brutal repression by strongman dictators and attempting to impose western style democracy on a culture that never went through the enlightenment would only result in more terrorists.

In the case of Iraq, prior to our going in it was a country ruled by a dictator that was contained and no longer a threat to us. The forerunner to ISIS, Al Qaeda in Iraq did not exist until 2004 - after we went in. So we took a country that was contained and not a threat to us and created an environment that fostered the growth of radical Islamist groups that were a threat to us. So yes, facts and details do matter here.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/ResearchNote_20_Zelin.pdf

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, circumstances and details are irrelevant when it comes to warmongering. :roll:
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and the Jihad is "not war mongering"????....the people we save sure dont think we are war mongering..
 
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