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Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

AJiveMan said:
Why the need for American troops at all? Can't those people defend themselves? Here, I'll answer the last question for you, NO, they left their arms that we gave them on the battle field and ran away like a bunch of scared children. Malaki and the Iraqis have nobody to blame except themselves.

Keep on blaming Obama though, it makes the conservative look good to other conservative chickenhawks in forums.
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Actually, the fact that Obama pulled out (and took credit for doing it) only to now return to a much worse situation just makes him look like an inept and purely political hack. People aren't fooled, and they dont forget.
 
apdst said:
Not every terrorist group.
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Saddam Hussein was loved by American diplomats, little did they know that after giving him chemical weapons, that he would be called a terrorist in later years. :doh
Among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from American companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips was thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, according to leaked portions of Iraq's "full, final and complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs. The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan Administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Alcolac was named as a defendant in the Aziz v. Iraq case presently pending in the United States District Court (Case No. 1:09-cv-00869-MJG). Both companies have since undergone reorganization. Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum is now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and discount fossil fuel company. Alcolac International has since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc.[26]
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Halabja chemical attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, looky here, good old pals they were....

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Smile for the camera my good friend Saddam, we're going to have you hung at a later date, but you don't know it now. <giggle giggle snort snort>
 
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US Conservative said:
Actually, the fact that Obama pulled out (and took credit for doing it) only to now return to a much worse situation just makes him look like an inept and purely political hack. People aren't fooled, and they dont forget.
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People are stupid and easily buffaloed into starting unnecessary wars and conflicts by the USA too. We all sucked up "mushroom cloud" and "smoking gun" bull**** like people hitting a hookah in a smoke filled room.
 
US Conservative said:
Rigghht. And TEAt? Is that the new mature lefty term?
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Far more honest and mature than this:

US Conservative said:
Nixon was quite effective in Vietnam, the left lost the peace there as it apparently likes to do.
And we can't forget the cold war.
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Or this:

US Conservative said:
Correction-the left can't beat them.
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And especially this:

I think most lefties must have some French in them, because they are so eager to surrender.
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NIMBY said:
I'm glad to see that you've finally owned 2003 as the date the USA destabilized Iraq.
Now is the time for the GOP to step out of the way and let 'No Drama Obama' finish what he inherited .
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When you invade a nation and destroy its leadership you've destabilized it. Is this news to you?
 
AJiveMan said:
People are stupid and easily buffaloed into starting unnecessary wars and conflicts by the USA too. We all sucked up "mushroom cloud" and "smoking gun" bull**** like people hitting a hookah in a smoke filled room.
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Shoot first and aim second--the GOP far-right battle cry.
We'll worry about the VA mess later--oh wait, we'll just dump that on Obama and blame him .
 
What's news to me is that you've finally admitted that Bush/Cheney caused the destabilization of Iraq you describe.
Well done don't you think--just as with Iran-Contra .

US Conservative said:
When you invade a nation and destroy its leadership you've destabilized it. Is this news to you?
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US Conservative said:
When you invade a nation and destroy its leadership you've destabilized it. Is this news to you?
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****, this is the most intelligent post you've evaaaa made, almost into like territory.
 
NIMBY said:
What's news to me is that you've finally admitted that Bush/Cheney caused the destabilization of Iraq you describe.
Well done don't you think--just as with Iran-Contra .
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I can't believe it. I think I'll add that one to my signature line, history has been made. :2dance:
 
AJiveMan said:
TEAt is the short version for TrEAsonous party. :doh
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Conservative Nanny state is also a good description.
Especially considering all the loopholes for their millionaire/billionaire buddies.
Corporate Welfare for all their Kochsuckers.

Not to mention RED State takers versus Blue State Makers.
Tax Scofflaws versus taxpayers
 
NIMBY said:
Conservative Nanny state is also a good description.
Especially considering all the loopholes for their millionaire/billionaire buddies.
Corporate Welfare for all their Kochsuckers.

Not to mention RED State takers versus Blue State Makers.
Tax Scofflaws versus taxpayers
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Lefty dogma, unrelated to reality. :2wave:
 
NIMBY said:
Conservative Nanny state is also a good description.
Especially considering all the loopholes for their millionaire/billionaire buddies.
Corporate Welfare for all their Kochsuckers.

Not to mention RED State takers versus Blue State Makers.
Tax Scofflaws versus taxpayers
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And now that damned Obama is going to go after those offshore tax cheats, I don't know what the world is coming to. :lol:
 
All because he wants to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure--which used to be a no-brainer.
But it's been over four years since I've heard anyone accuse the GOP House of having any brains.

AJiveMan said:
And now that damned Obama is going to go after those offshore tax cheats, I don't know what the world is coming to. :lol:
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I will say that your Congressman Ryan is the only GOP who sounded reasonable the last two days and actually understands the budget process.
And both Obama and Ryan are starting with the same Tax Bill rewrite by now retired GOP Camp which the House refused to look at last year.

And so far, McConnell has kept his word, even if I don't like his politics.
McConnell is actually guiding Boehner and has an impossible task overall with his two caucuses .
 
NIMBY said:
All because he wants to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure--which used to be a no-brainer.
But it's been over four years since I've heard anyone accuse the GOP House of having any brains.



I will say that your Congressman Ryan is the only GOP who sounded reasonable the last two days and actually understands the budget process.
And both Obama and Ryan are starting with the same Tax Bill rewrite by now retired GOP Camp which the House refused to look at last year.

And so far, McConnell has kept his word, even if I don't like his politics.
McConnell is actually guiding Boehner and has an impossible task overall with his two caucuses .
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Any infrastructure bill would be good, it would be like killing 3 birds with one stone, 1.fixing roads, bridges and updating underground utilities, 2.creating jobs, and 3.putting people to work.

But, we still have the GOP Neanderthals with NO on their mind.

Actually, killing 4 birds with one stone, increasing revenues generated by employed people, good for the economy. Plus all the collateral jobs and revenue that would be generated.
 
shrubnose said:
When you give religious extremists some dangerous weapons you don't know what they might decide to do with them. :roll:

Their priorities are likely to be different from your priorities.
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Yup, another reason why when Americans went into Iraq, they should have secured those munitions, since they did not, we see the end results.

This is an interesting clip here. I doubt the chickenhawks who wish to be this country's leader want or need to see history repeated.:roll:

 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Because they saw him as colluding with the United States. It isn't my theory, its history. Look them up on Wikipedia, the Council of Foreign Relations, or any mainstream outlet since 2003.
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Ahhh, I see your problem now. You are getting all your information from Wiki.

Big mistake.
 
AJiveMan said:
Any infrastructure bill would be good, it would be like killing 3 birds with one stone, 1.fixing roads, bridges and updating underground utilities, 2.creating jobs, and 3.putting people to work.

But, we still have the GOP Neanderthals with NO on their mind.

Actually, killing 4 birds with one stone, increasing revenues generated by employed people, good for the economy. Plus all the collateral jobs and revenue that would be generated.
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Aren't creating jobs and putting people to work the same thing? Just trying to keep count here.
 
US Conservative said:
We destabilized Iraq in 2003. We have a responsibility to that nation, and leaving them to the ISIS wolves for Obama's personal political benefit is not an example of that. The left loses wars like its cool.
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We left that nation with an elected government and a defense force numbering in the hundreds of thousands. If they government is so corrupt and inept that they cannot defeat a militant force number 30,000 at most in their own country, then how in the world is that our fault?
 
US Conservative said:
Correction-the left can't beat them. I think most lefties must have some French in them, because they are so eager to surrender.
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If you think the left can't beat them, then as a member of the right, what keeps you from going over there to fight them yourself? The Peshmerga is an improvised force, they will certainly take you.
 
Gill said:
Ahhh, I see your problem now. You are getting all your information from Wiki.

Big mistake.
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You have yet to provide any sources to back up your claims. Prior to our going into Iraq, the predecessor to Al Qaeda was a militant jihadist organization that was founded in Jordan to overthrow the king of Jordan. However, Al Qaeda in Iraq that later became ISIS was formed in Iraq in 2004. Even the Israeli lobby admits that:

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/ResearchNote_20_Zelin.pdf
 
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