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Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

jmotivator said:
He was arrested for immigration violations, and FISA regulations prohibited the FBI from going any further in pulling information from Moussaoui's personal items.

In fact, it was this stone wall that would later lead to the FISA court changes in the PATRIOT Act.
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How did the FISA court stop the FBI from checking the other flight schools? That was because Bush kept telling everyone that he didn't want to hear anything about Bin Laden because he "thought" it was all a Iraqi plot to prevent him from invading Iraq. He took his eye off the ball because he wanted to get Saddam for supposedly putting a "hit" on his father. It was also the hight of incompetence for a man whose primary job was to protect the American people.
 
iguanaman said:
How did the FISA court stop the FBI from checking the other flight schools? That was because Bush kept telling everyone that he didn't want to hear anything about Bin Laden because he "thought" it was all a Iraqi plot to prevent him from invading Iraq. He took his eye off the ball because he wanted to get Saddam for supposedly putting a "hit" on his father. It was also the hight of incompetence for a man whose primary job was to protect the American people.
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Because at the time they had no evidence that Moussaoui was planning to commit a crime other than stay in the country illegally, they were shot down by the FISA court and therefor had no case to build. Are you arguing that the FBI should investigate the daily routine of every person who owns Microsoft Flight Simulator or just the Muslim ones?
 
jmotivator said:
Because at the time they had no evidence that Moussaoui was planning to commit a crime other than stay in the country illegally, they were shot down by the FISA court and therefor had no case to build. Are you arguing that the FBI should investigate the daily routine of every person who owns Microsoft Flight Simulator or just the Muslim ones?
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LOL Moussaoui was caught training at a commercial aircraft flight school not on a home computer. I'de say that is a difference. The fact that they didn't even check the other schools to see who was training says volumes about the mindset of our intelligence services at the time. They were obviously afraid to find out something that Bush would not like hearing. Like a REAL Al Qaeda plot.


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only mean to say that it was a very favorably disposed chronicler who wrote this, in describing Tenet's reaction on the terrible morning of Sept. 11, 2001:
"This has bin Laden all over it," Tenet told Boren. "I've got to go." He also had another reaction, one that raised the real possibility that the CIA and the FBI had not done all that could have been done to prevent the terrorist attack. "I wonder," Tenet said, "if it has anything to do with this guy taking pilot training."
Notice the direct quotes that make it clear who is the author of this brilliant insight. And then pause for a second. The author is almost the only man who could have known of Zacarias Moussaoui and his co-conspirators—the very man who positively knew they were among us, in flight schools, and then decided to leave them alone
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2007/04/a_losers_history.html
 
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iguanaman said:
So you don't have an answer? Why should we keep fighting their wars for them? Bush spent billions training and equipping the Iraqi's and for what? The Saudi's have the largest army in the ME and ISIS is after them but you want to send our men instead. When will we learn?
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There is simply no arab military that has the strength to effectively fight, hold, and stabilize Iraq.
I wouldn't even trust a european to do the same, and arabs hate each other perhaps more than they hate westerners.
 
iguanaman said:
ISIS had its start in Syria, how would us staying in Iraq prevented that? We were told that Bush left a stable Iraq under Maliki are you saying he lied?
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Its fascinating listening to you lefties talk. Are you positing that our withdrawal from Iraq by Obama for his personal political gain had no relation to the rise of ISIS?
 
US Conservative said:
Its fascinating listening to you lefties talk. Are you positing that our withdrawal from Iraq by Obama for his personal political gain had no relation to the rise of ISIS?
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It was Maliki's "personal political gain" that prevented him from agreeing to a SOFA even for 3000 troops.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Ah I forget when it was the current stock of Republicans set the terms for Obama's war.

It was Obama who said "no boots on the ground". So instead of making this about Republicans again, let's maybe focus on the guy who has the power and has been sending Americans to their death for seven years....

And that would be your Barrack Hussein Obama, the same man who allowed the assassination of a sitting US diplomat to pass without ado of any kind and the stupid **** who has admitted he knew ISIS was on the rise BEFORE he decided to get those political pawns hew calls troops home for his re-coronation.

As much as you hate to admit it, Republicans are better at war than Democrats.....at least they know when to hold and when to fold. Obama cashes in then has to ante up all over again...

His only strategy is blame Republicans and get his info on terrorism "just like you do" from TV.

Yeah, seven years later this is still a Republican mess and Obama is, as usual faultless because of his skin color.
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This is the lefts famous "smart diplomacy". See how smart it is?
 
US Conservative said:
There is simply no arab military that has the strength to effectively fight, hold, and stabilize Iraq.
I wouldn't even trust a european to do the same, and arabs hate each other perhaps more than they hate westerners.
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Except ISIS I presume, the others would rather have us do it for them. They believe it is our fault I guess. What is it that makes us the only military in the world that is willing to fight against terror even though our presence is what is the most destabilizing in the area?
 
iguanaman said:
Obama is using our air support to help the Iraqi's not our troops. He agrees with me that the locals need to be the ones to stop ISIS on the ground. Otherwise it will be constant war.
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A liberal agreeing with Obama? Who saw that coming?

Are their lives not risked? And we have boots on the ground that have been directly engaged in firefights with ISIS. Canadians too.
 
US Conservative said:
A liberal agreeing with Obama? Who saw that coming?

Are their lives not risked? And we have boots on the ground that have been directly engaged in firefights with ISIS. Canadians too.
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What are you squawking about then? You want more targets for the jihadi's to reach paradise by killing infidels?
 
US Conservative said:
This is the lefts famous "smart diplomacy". See how smart it is?
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Makes absolute sense to me...

The US was involved in two hot spots when Obama came to power, we now have Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria and Somalia and for an added bonus a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not to mention a very pissed off North Korea who did not like being blamed for hacking Sony since they don't even have the capability. I think you will pay for that sometime

That's a peace prize president.
 
Caine said:
The more of them we kill, the more of them we make.

Our prolonged presence and meddling in the affairs of the Middle East is what has grown this problem.
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We aren't simply droning weddings by fighting ISIS. You dont win wars by walking on eggshells like you appear to want to.
 
AJiveMan said:
Saddam Hussein was hostile to every terror sponsored group, because he wanted to control Iraq, totally.

I did a Google search using this simple phrase (how bush destabilized the middle east) and this is one of the articles found in the search;
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So basically, removing Saddam Hussein was the beginning of the ruination of Iraq. One big mistake.
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Saddam is responsible now?

ahem...

Sigh, Obama is perfect!

since we're blaming people dead for over a ****ing decade, how about Obama's tramp of a father? He's the one sewed the seed and abandoned it to a crazy woman and doddering grandparents....

He's responsible for Obama's emotional issues that got us into this
 
iguanaman said:
There was never a stable Iraq after we ousted Saddam and there never could be as long as we stayed there and played nursemaid. The same is true today. Stability of a nation comes from within.
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By arab terms after a major war there was-compare the number of attacks pre surge (that Obama and the left opposed-they were eager to lose the war for politics even then) to post, and pre withdrawal from post withdrawal.

Face it-Obama lost the war by withdrawing, and now he can't ignore the negative consequences of that.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Travis007. :2wave:

Yep, that aspirin factory was a real threat to the world and just had to be bombed! Can you imagine all those people standing around saying "WTH is going on now?" :mrgreen:
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Wonder when they figured out Clinton was just wagging the dog.
 
Caine said:
2003 to 2011 wasn't long enough?

Im not interested in a "forever war" in a country we had no business invading in the first place.

And I say this as an Iraq war veteran.
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There we are with that mindless "forever war" meme again.

You fight wars to win them, not to fit a calendar.
 
iguanaman said:
You must be the only one that thinks invading Iraq and creating Al Qaeda in Iraq/ISIS has made us safer.
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You must be the only one that thinks allowing terrorism to flourish, ceeding massive swathes of territory to them, and then not attacking them (because it will make more ya know) makes anyone but the terrorists safer.
 
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