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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Jack.

    While some would like to say GWB must accept the criticism as valid and that's why he hasn't fired back, I don't believe that's the case at all. It's more likely that he is just letting the American public come to their own conclusions since he's been out of office for years. Why demean himself by responding in kind? That's childish and petty, and it serves no purpose so why bother? Did FDR blame Hoover for the Great Depression? No, he got busy fixing the problem by putting men to work who wanted jobs, and they thanked him for that, and we are still enjoying the benefits of his vision today. So who is considered one of the Great Presidents of the 20th Century? Just saying....
    Except FDR did blame Hoover for everything: "Yet, there was another exception: Franklin Delano Roosevelt. FDR, like Obama, needed to conjure up various demons to advance his “progressive” agenda, with the vile rich atop his enemies list. But FDR also dumped on his Republican predecessor. He blamed everything on Herbert Hoover.

    For the record, this really upset Hoover. Hoover was hurt deeply by FDR constantly trashing him, his record, his policies, his character. FDR did not treat Hoover the way we Americans hope and expect our presidents to treat one another. Their relationship became toxic. FDR’s successor, Harry Truman, took notice. “Roosevelt couldn’t stand him,” said Truman of Hoover, “and he [Hoover] hated Roosevelt.” Obama's Presidential Blame-Game | The American Spectator

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's not our choice.
    But it has been the choice of some of our leaders. The Iraq invasion was by Bush's choice. There was no pressing reason for it.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    But it has been the choice of some of our leaders. The Iraq invasion was by Bush's choice. There was no pressing reason for it.
    That is true. Iraq was a war of choice.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

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    Except FDR did blame Hoover for everything: "Yet, there was another exception: Franklin Delano Roosevelt. FDR, like Obama, needed to conjure up various demons to advance his “progressive” agenda, with the vile rich atop his enemies list. But FDR also dumped on his Republican predecessor. He blamed everything on Herbert Hoover.

    For the record, this really upset Hoover. Hoover was hurt deeply by FDR constantly trashing him, his record, his policies, his character. FDR did not treat Hoover the way we Americans hope and expect our presidents to treat one another. Their relationship became toxic. FDR’s successor, Harry Truman, took notice. “Roosevelt couldn’t stand him,” said Truman of Hoover, “and he [Hoover] hated Roosevelt.” Obama's Presidential Blame-Game | The American Spectator
    LOL Poor little Herbert. Roosevelt was merely echoing the sentiment of the American people when it came to Hoover. His behavior during the Depression that started on his watch was deeply unpopular. He did virtually nothing to help the American people as they lost all their savings and unemployment rose to 23%. If he had gone begging to Congress for money like Bush did for TARP he might have gotten at least some sympathy for his administration. As it was he was considered cold and aloof from the suffering and he felt that the pain and starvation was inseparable from capitalism, a lot like some on this board behave I'm afraid..
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    a big fail is a Time Magazine article written before the pull out speculating that Republicans will make an election issue of it and expressing an OPINION that:




    "appears" from five years ago is proof only that someone is desperate to hang an albatross....who has no albratross
    So you are saying an article written at the time of the events in question is unreliable because its written at the time of the events in question? Some of y'all are not even rational anymore. We did not keep troops in Iraq because the Iraqi people did not want us there and the government of Iraq wanted our soldiers to be subject to their courts. That is history. That is what happened. I guess it doesn't square well with popular right wing mythology, but it is what happened just same. So your problem is not with me or Time Magazine or the AP, its with reality.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Poor little Herbert. Roosevelt was merely echoing the sentiment of the American people when it came to Hoover. His behavior during the Depression that started on his watch was deeply unpopular. He did virtually nothing to help the American people as they lost all their savings and unemployment rose to 23%. If he had gone begging to Congress for money like Bush did for TARP he might have gotten at least some sympathy for his administration. As it was he was considered cold and aloof to the suffering and felt that the pain and starvation was inseparable from capitalism, a lot like some on this board behave I'm afraid..
    Ironic considering Hoover rose to prominence for his humanitarian work, and pushed public works to combat the Depression.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Poor little Herbert. Roosevelt was merely echoing the sentiment of the American people when it came to Hoover. His behavior during the Depression that started on his watch was deeply unpopular. He did virtually nothing to help the American people as they lost all their savings and unemployment rose to 23%. If he had gone begging to Congress for money like Bush did for TARP he might have gotten at least some sympathy for his administration. As it was he was considered cold and aloof from the suffering and he felt that the pain and starvation was inseparable from capitalism, a lot like some on this board behave I'm afraid..
    Molesting history in the school showers won't make facts any less facts.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    polgara, your liberal is showing, better cover it up quick!
    Hello, imagep.

    I am not so partisan that I can't give credit where it's due. In the past, I have listened to people talk who went through those very difficult times, and they always praise FDR for doing the best he could for the people. He gave them jobs, but more than that he gave them hope that things would get better, and they needed to hear those words, and they trusted him. They said it was hard work, but they always remark on what projects they worked on with pride. How can you not admire someone who inspires that loyalty?

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Ironic considering Hoover rose to prominence for his humanitarian work, and pushed public works to combat the Depression.
    Hoover undertook various measures designed to stimulate the economy, and a few of the programs he introduced became key components of later relief efforts. However, Hoover’s response to the crisis was constrained by his conservative political philosophy. He believed in a limited role for government and worried that excessive federal intervention posed a threat to capitalism and individualism. He felt that assistance should be handled on a local, voluntary basis. Accordingly, Hoover vetoed several bills that would have provided direct relief to struggling Americans. “Prosperity cannot be restored by raids upon the public Treasury,” he explained in his 1930 State of the Union address.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

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    Herbert Hoover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Libertarian economist Murray Rothbard argues that Hoover was actually the initiator of what came to be the New Deal. Hoover engaged in many unprecedented public works programs, including an increase in the Federal Buildings program of over $400 million and the establishment of the Division of Public Construction to spur public works planning. Hoover himself granted more subsidies to ship construction through the Federal Shipping Board and asked for a further $175 million appropriation for public works; this was followed in July 1930 with the expenditure of a giant $915 million public works program, including a Hoover Dam on the Colorado River.[105][106] In the spring of 1930, Hoover acquired from Congress an added $100 million to continue the Federal Farm Board lending and purchasing policies. At the end of 1929, the FFB established a national wool cooperative-the National Wool Marketing Corporation (NWMC) made up of 30 state associations. The Board also established an allied National Wool Credit Corporation to handle finances. A total of $31.5 million in loans for wool were made by the FFB, of which $12.5 million were permanently lost; these massive agricultural subsidies were a precedent for the later Agricultural Adjustment Act.[107][108] Hoover also advocated strong labor regulation law, including the enactment of the Bacon-Davis Act, requiring a maximum eight-hour day on construction of public buildings and the payment of at least the "prevailing wage" in the locality, as well as the Norris-LaGuardia Act in 1932. In the Banking sector, Hoover passed The Federal Home Loan Bank Act in July, 1932, establishing 12 district banks ruled by a Federal Home Loan Bank Board in a manner similar to the Federal Reserve System. $125 million capital was subscribed by the Treasury and this was subsequently shifted to the RFC. Hoover was also instrumental in passing the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932, allowing for prime rediscounting at the Federal Reserve, allowing further inflation of credit and bank reserves.[109]
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