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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Where's the proof you keep demanding from me??
    My assertion is that ISIS is the new name for Al Qaeda in Iraq, which came into being after we invaded Iraq in 2004. Furthermore, that its precursor organization was working with a Kurdish militant organization prior to the war in Iraq that was hostile to Saddam.

    Your assertion as far as I can tell is that ISIS would be a problem today even if we never went into Iraq and I don't think that history in anyway backs your assertion.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    TRANSLATION: I was wrong, but really don't want to admit it.
    If you think the Iranians have any love for the Kurds you are wrong. I showed you why.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, false. You are either knowingly lying or using terrible sources. Your argument doesn't even make sense given the reality of the lead up to the ISIS invasion. For the better part of a year Maliki was pleading with the Obama administration to provide logistics and air support to his northern defense forces.

    But it should be noted that you have now quietly abandoned your idiotic claim that Iraqi forces broke in Northern Iraq due to being all Shia and not wanting to defend Sunnis.

    Now you want to claim the they were undefended because mummblemummblemummbleSectarianDifferences. Bull crap.



    False again. Maliki realized in the lead up to the war that the US was not going to help him so he was left with the position of having insufficient forces to defend the Iraqi borders so what he did was what any sane person would do, he pulled forces back to consolidate the defense of the most populated areas of Iraq. Had he sent more forces to the North and lost then Baghdad would be flying an ISIS flag.

    Had he sent a large contingent to defend Mosul he would have left central Iraq wide open.



    Saddam hated the Kurds to, was Iraq unstable under Saddam?



    Complete non-sense. You are failing to tie the ISIS invasion success to political infighting in Baghdad. It simply isn't the case. The fall of Mosul was due to critically insufficient military resources managed badly after the US left them in a lurch.

    You are the one who has failed... and I am tired of proving you wrong.
    Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce, R-Calif., and ranking member Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., introduced temporary legislation to arm the peshmerga forces in their fight against the Islamic State (IS). Doing so would mark a reversal of current US policy, which has sought to reinforce the central government in a bid to stop the country from splintering along ethnic and sectarian lines.

    "We thought a long time ago that our appeals to Baghdad to do the right thing would be heard and [former Prime Minister Nouri al-] Maliki's government turned a deaf ear month after month. We've reached the point where we have allies to our cause of defeating [IS] fighting in the field, without adequate equipment, and we are determined to see that they obtain it," Royce told Al-Monitor. "We want the weapons in the hands of the peshmerga that are on the front line, now."
    Read more: Congress weighs arming Iraqi Kurds - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Some victory that was. Oust one sectarian dictator and enemy of Iran and install another sectarian dictator who was a puppet of Iran. What could possibly go wrong?
    BHO and Biden called it a victory. You're saying they were wrong?
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well Caine, when you're right, you're right. Interesting choice for a picture too. If you really think about it, Reagan's funding of the mujahadeen in the 80s was based on a flawed sense of how America could export freedom. If we only gave religious extremists money, maybe then they'd turn their sights off the medium sized Satan (America) and turn it towards the big Satan (USSR). What Reagan didn't count on was what would happen when those religious extremists went home. Lack of foresight seems to be a condition of warhawks in the post-Reagan era and now we're left to deal with their mess.
    That is one view. Another view was that the Soviet Union wanted Persian Gulf warm water ports. A long time ago in a life lived when I was much younger I was involved in some sessions on how to respond to a southward Soviet move. It was not about exporting freedom. It was about tying down the Soviet Union.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Really? How do you figure? In all those cases the government is either so corrupt and ineffectual that terrorism thrives there or the government's support the terrorist organizations. So how would you deal with them without engaging in some sort of regime change? For example, lets say we start napalming Boku Haram's jungle hideouts, do you honestly think that Goodluck Jonathan will all of a sudden give up his corrupt ways that allowed a group like Boku Haram to thrive there in the first place?
    Funny you should mention Boko Haram. I spent five years in Nigeria. Goodluck Jonathan's incompetence and cowardice has hindered response to BH but he had nothing to do with its origin. Strong US materiel and training support would go a long way, and the finest fighting force for 1,000 miles in any direction, the Chadian army, is nearby.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Of course it is our choice.

    If we packed up our **** and left......the middle east and quit meddling..... we keep our counter terrorist operations and intelligence gathering, and there isn't a damned thing they can do to us.

    If you think our military flexing some muscle and them spilling our blood in their backyard is preventing a terrorist attack, your deluded.
    If we were to do as you say we would only make it easier and more likely for them to attack us here.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    That is one view. Another view was that the Soviet Union wanted Persian Gulf warm water ports. A long time ago in a life lived when I was much younger I was involved in some sessions on how to respond to a southward Soviet move. It was not about exporting freedom. It was about tying down the Soviet Union.
    Your view is not in contradiction to mine. As a matter of fact, it's complimentary. Whatever reason Reagan used to rapidly increase funding of religious extremists like Osama Bin Laden it shows an enormous lack of foresight. The Reagan administration simply did not foresee any problems with giving money to Islamic fundamentalists. We are now left to deal with the fruits of that particular harvest.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If we were to do as you say we would only make it easier and more likely for them to attack us here.
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Sometimes you can avoid conflict simply by flying under the radar. It's entirely possible that the US is just too large and economically and culturally powerful to not be noticed, and hated, by people all over the world though.

    My best guess is that if we had never got involved with mid-east politics to begin with, 911 would have never occurred.

    So far, other than a couple retaliatory beheadings, and some spouting off at the mouth, ISIS has done nothing to the US, and has shown no serious motivation or intent to attack the US with terroristic acts.

    As far as your point goes, I fully support our current level of support in the fight against ISIS. We have little need to make this into an all out war, the longer we keep ISIS tied up in Iraq and Syria, the less likely they are to be able to put any real effort into attacking us at home. Our only need is to contain them, and it's unrealistic to think that we could ever kill every radical Islamist who would wish to do us harm.

    It's not like there are only X individuals who would do us harm, and we kill X, and it's over with. There are X today, minus whatever we kill, plus whatever new radical are recruited by ISIS or are created indirectly by the US in response to our involvement in the middle east. As long as we are involved with the middle east, we will always have enemies there.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If we were to do as you say we would only make it easier and more likely for them to attack us here.
    Are you just falling in with the rhetoric..... or can you actually explain how this is true?

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