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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh - oh. I can answer this:

    A global system of trade that allows us to live in a nice, comfy, first world lifestyle.

    The (slow, painful) exportation of liberal (classic) governance.

    Stopping (occasionally), or slowing, or reversing the gains of those who would commit mass atrocities and take entire sections of the globes back into the dark ages.

    Ah, what else... maintenance of the value of the US security guarantee... regional cooperation with global allies...
    If that is our goal.... We're going to have to commit Genocide and replace the population with people who have some god damned common sense in order to attain it.


    Doesn't seem worth it to me.

    That region is too volatile to "bring into the fold", especially by the use of


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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No excuses. They've been fighting each other forever, they suddenly don't know how to defend themselves.
    And the general rule in Middle East fights is the most savage side wins. Saddam kept power because he fed political opposition into plastic shredders and acid baths. To end this cycle the military force of Iraq needed to be converted to a professional, disciplined force in the western mold, not unlike the transformation that happened in Egypt over the last 40 years. The Iraqi army was no where near that state of readiness when we left. Left to itself Iraq will go the way of all Middle Eastern countries and revert to rule by the most bloodthirsty faction.

    Lemme ax you this, if someone comes up and punches you in the nose, what do you do, run away, or do you stand up and defend yourself. Take all the time you want to answer.
    First, equating the wanton ISIS savagery in Northern Iraq to a punch in the nose is disgusting, callous and stupid.

    So, lemme ax you this: You are a security guard on one of the floors of an office building when you hear screams, people come flooding into the office saying there are crazed men swarming through the building decapitating people, you call the police and the police say they aren't coming. You hear that several of your fellow guards have been beheaded in the building lobby, and many others have fled the building... what do you do?

    Also, do you condemn the women and children of Iraq to rape, torture and murder simply because the Iraqi guards broke?
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If that is our goal.... We're going to have to commit Genocide and replace the population with people who have some god damned common sense in order to attain it.
    Yeah, stupit Ay'rabs, amiright?!
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And the general rule in Middle East fights is the most savage side wins. Saddam kept power because he fed political opposition into plastic shredders and acid baths. To end this cycle the military force of Iraq needed to be converted to a professional, disciplined force in the western mold, not unlike the transformation that happened in Egypt over the last 40 years. The Iraqi army was no where near that state of readiness when we left. Left to itself Iraq will go the way of all Middle Eastern countries and revert to rule by the most bloodthirsty faction.


    First, equating the wanton ISIS savagery in Northern Iraq to a punch in the nose is disgusting, callous and stupid.

    So, lemme ax you this: You are a security guard on one of the floors of an office building when you hear screams, people come flooding into the office saying there are crazed men swarming through the building decapitating people, you call the police and the police say they aren't coming. You hear that several of your fellow guards have been beheaded in the building lobby, and many others have fled the building... what do you do?

    Also, do you condemn the women and children of Iraq to rape, torture and murder simply because the Iraqi guards broke?
    You are making the same mistakes that Bush did. It was sectarian animosity not unpreparedness that allowed ISIS to take over the Sunni provinces so easily. Maliki with our help turned the army into a Shiite militia which was unwilling to fight for Sunni territory. We traded a Sunni led Govt. under Saddam for a Shiite Iranian junta that had no interest in strong and united Iraq. Even after Maliki was ousted there are still Shiite militia's murdering Sunnis. The idea that we should have stayed and supported the sectarian dictator/ Iranian pawn Maliki and kept him in power is typical of the foolishness that characterized the entire Iraqi debacle. This is what happens when idiots with no plan are left in charge of our govt and our military. Obama has been left with this mess and is dealing with it intelligently, something the right wingers can never understand. It is way past their pay grade.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If that is our goal.... We're going to have to commit Genocide and replace the population with people who have some god damned common sense in order to attain it.
    Hm. That's interesting. Apparently common sense is genetic in nature. What other intellectual capabilities do you think are determined by race, ethnicity, or religion?

    That region is too volatile to "bring into the fold", especially by the use of

    1. That picture is awesome.

    2. That region in particular is actually more likely to respond to violence. It's a language they understand, unlike western empathy.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, stupit Ay'rabs, amiright?!
    There is a real strain of immature "F You, Dad" in some libertarian positions - it reveals itself in interesting ways, not least of which is hyperbole.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hm. That's interesting. Apparently common sense is genetic in nature. What other intellectual capabilities do you think are determined by race, ethnicity, or religion?



    1. That picture is awesome.

    2. That region in particular is actually more likely to respond to violence. It's a language they understand, unlike western empathy.
    LOL you are right they enjoy violence and they are hoping we send troops for them to kill. It will bring them more fighters to the cause.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL you are right they enjoy violence and they are hoping we send troops for them to kill. It will bring them more fighters to the cause.
    A book for you, that will help you avoid making ill-educated comments like this. Not that you will read it, but it's been made available .

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And the general rule in Middle East fights is the most savage side wins. Saddam kept power because he fed political opposition into plastic shredders and acid baths. To end this cycle the military force of Iraq needed to be converted to a professional, disciplined force in the western mold, not unlike the transformation that happened in Egypt over the last 40 years. The Iraqi army was no where near that state of readiness when we left. Left to itself Iraq will go the way of all Middle Eastern countries and revert to rule by the most bloodthirsty faction.



    First, equating the wanton ISIS savagery in Northern Iraq to a punch in the nose is disgusting, callous and stupid.

    So, lemme ax you this: You are a security guard on one of the floors of an office building when you hear screams, people come flooding into the office saying there are crazed men swarming through the building decapitating people, you call the police and the police say they aren't coming. You hear that several of your fellow guards have been beheaded in the building lobby, and many others have fled the building... what do you do?

    Also, do you condemn the women and children of Iraq to rape, torture and murder simply because the Iraqi guards broke?
    That didn't answer my question.

    If someone declares by physical violence upon you as a person, are you going to defend yourself, or run away from a fight?

    Looks to me like Iraqis ran from a fight, and they had the most modern equipment to use against an insurgency.

    After mission accomplished, weren't American and coalition forces training Iraqis to defend their homeland?

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are making the same mistakes that Bush did. It was sectarian animosity not unpreparedness that allowed ISIS to take over the Sunni provinces so easily. Maliki with our help turned the army into a Shiite militia which was unwilling to fight for Sunni territory. We traded a Sunni led Govt. under Saddam for a Shiite Iranian junta that had no interest in strong and united Iraq. Even after Maliki was ousted there are still Shiite militia's murdering Sunnis. The idea that we should have stayed and supported the sectarian dictator/ Iranian pawn Maliki and kept him in power is typical of the foolishness that characterized the entire Iraqi debacle. This is what happens when idiots with no plan are left in charge of our govt and our military. Obama has been left with this mess and is dealing with it intelligently, something the right wingers can never understand. It is way past their pay grade.
    Nope. Your whole argument falls apart on your phony demographics. The Iraqi 2nd Division that was the first to fall was predominantly Kurdish troops fight for a predominantly Kurdish population. The primary reason for the fall of Northern Iraq was a lack of ammunition and weapons and a crumbling supply chain (the stuff the US would have been handling). Most of the northern provinces were defended by soldiers with dwindling supplies.
    Last edited by jmotivator; 02-03-15 at 03:20 PM.
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