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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The 16,000 troops requested by Gates were intended to carry out an ongoing training and support mission because we knew the Iraqi forces were not ready to defend themselves.

    The fact that they were not ready to defend themselves is not an excuse for leaving them to the Barbarian hordes.
    No excuses. They've been fighting each other forever, they suddenly don't know how to defend themselves.

    Lemme ax you this, if someone comes up and punches you in the nose, what do you do, run away, or do you stand up and defend yourself. Take all the time you want to answer.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    This whole thing is simple.

    Do you want to fight them now as they are?

    Or do you want to wait and fight them as they will become?

    There'll be no choice but to fight them eventually.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You don't seem to understand.

    There isn't a "war" for us. This is up to Iraq.

    We have to stop being the world police. Putting our assets and lives on the line for other people... and for what?

    What is there to gain from this? Iraq will never be an "Ally" in the typical sense of the word.

    That area of the world is too confused right now to have a permanent identity.....


    I challenge that...

    There was never one discussion about building schools for the women of Afghanistan when Bush got solid congressional approval to invade. The deral was to hunt them and kill them to "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here."

    And Iraq....that, you may recall was ALL about weapons of mass destruction and some playing cards the CIA said were bad guys...

    The only words of "freedom" in all of that was the PR choice of what to brand it..."operation enduring freedom"......enduring for Americans obviously.

    I would challenge even WWII and the perceived altruism there. The was had raged for nearly three years with Canada, Australia, India and a host of other nations who had not been directly attacked before the US got involved.

    I do agree thought that world politics have grown too complex for the bread and butter presidents that are chosen. Bush was a nice guy fool, Obama is negligent and incompetent...

    and things have grown to complex for the CIA.....
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You don't seem to understand.

    I don't give a **** what you think Obama wants to do.

    I think about America. America is NOT Obama... Or Bush.... or Clinton.

    All your partisan hackery in this thread is lost on me... Im not going to sit here and bitch back and forth between "Well Obama did this and Bush did that and wah wah wah" like you petty mongrels.

    Regardless of who the President happens to be at the time.... America should not be meddling in the affairs of Middle Eastern nations. Period.
    Pardon me for being a "petty mongrel" but we are here because Bush did this and Obama did that.....

    I was with you in part until you starting insulting people because you disagree with them.

    This mongrel is proud of the title, considering where it comes from, and if you don't like the cut and thrust of political debate what the **** are you doing on a political debate forum?

    There is a good amateur writers forum I can recommend
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No, you are. ISIS did not exist when Saddam was in power. Neither did Al Qaeda in Iraq. However the precursor to Al Qaeda in Iraq joined up with Kurdish Sunni Militants while Saddam were in power and those groups were hostile to Saddam.
    Where's the proof you keep demanding from me??

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I challenge that...

    There was never one discussion about building schools for the women of Afghanistan when Bush got solid congressional approval to invade. The deral was to hunt them and kill them to "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here."

    And Iraq....that, you may recall was ALL about weapons of mass destruction and some playing cards the CIA said were bad guys...

    The only words of "freedom" in all of that was the PR choice of what to brand it..."operation enduring freedom"......enduring for Americans obviously.

    I would challenge even WWII and the perceived altruism there. The was had raged for nearly three years with Canada, Australia, India and a host of other nations who had not been directly attacked before the US got involved.

    I do agree thought that world politics have grown too complex for the bread and butter presidents that are chosen. Bush was a nice guy fool, Obama is negligent and incompetent...

    and things have grown to complex for the CIA.....
    I challenge anyone to back up any claim that terrorism..... an international crime at best......... can truely threaten our freedom.



    If anything.... we have lost freedoms over the pursuit of international criminals.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Pardon me for being a "petty mongrel" but we are here because Bush did this and Obama did that.....

    I was with you in part until you starting insulting people because you disagree with them.

    This mongrel is proud of the title, considering where it comes from, and if you don't like the cut and thrust of political debate what the **** are you doing on a political debate forum?

    There is a good amateur writers forum I can recommend


    Because you aren't debating the issue itself as much as you are being a jawjacking bandwagonner.

    Hop on a bandwagon and throw "Dems and Libz and Clinton and Obama and Carter" around and you think that is debating?


    Arguing back and forth about the decisions others made to get us where we are isn't what I am here for. Im here to debate what we should do, why we should do it, and what we have to gain from our losses.

    Not whose "team" is better in some pathetic game of "One-Upmanship"

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I challenge anyone to back up any claim that terrorism..... an international crime at best......... can truely threaten our freedom.



    If anything.... we have lost freedoms over the pursuit of international criminals.


    I really do not care what you think.

    I am a petty mongrel remember?
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You don't seem to understand.

    There isn't a "war" for us. This is up to Iraq.

    We have to stop being the world police. Putting our assets and lives on the line for other people... and for what?

    Oh - oh. I can answer this:

    A global system of trade that allows us to live in a nice, comfy, first world lifestyle.

    The (slow, painful) exportation of liberal (classic) governance.

    Stopping (occasionally), or slowing, or reversing the gains of those who would commit mass atrocities and take entire sections of the globes back into the dark ages.

    Ah, what else... maintenance of the value of the US security guarantee... regional cooperation with global allies...

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Because you aren't debating the issue itself as much as you are being a jawjacking bandwagonner.

    Hop on a bandwagon and throw "Dems and Libz and Clinton and Obama and Carter" around and you think that is debating?


    Arguing back and forth about the decisions others made to get us where we are isn't what I am here for. Im here to debate what we should do, why we should do it, and what we have to gain from our losses.

    Not whose "team" is better in some pathetic game of "One-Upmanship"
    Yeah FandL, what's wrong with you???

    We're not here to discuss the origins of ISIS and the mistakes made in the past by America's leaders on the best way to handle them. We are also not here to talk about Walker's ideas on how he would take care of the murderers if he is elected.

    The only purpose of this discussion is to insult fellow posters. Get with the program.

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