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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Is that the reason ISIS killed the judge that sentenced Saddam to hang??

    Your theory doesn't hold water.
    Because they saw him as colluding with the United States. It isn't my theory, its history. Look them up on Wikipedia, the Council of Foreign Relations, or any mainstream outlet since 2003.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is a difference between not caring and not being able.
    If they aren't able.... then so be it.

    There is also a difference between the people wanting our help, and the government wanting our help.

    The government would obviously want our help..... it keeps them in power.

    But do the people really want our help? And if so... why are so many of them joining ISIS?

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Because they saw him as colluding with the United States. It isn't my theory, its history. Look them up on Wikipedia, the Council of Foreign Relations, or any mainstream outlet since 2003.
    They were defeated by 2009. Abdication in Iraq and lassitude in Syria enabled their reemergence.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If they aren't able.... then so be it.

    There is also a difference between the people wanting our help, and the government wanting our help.

    The government would obviously want our help..... it keeps them in power.

    But do the people really want our help? And if so... why are so many of them joining ISIS?
    Because hope is attractive and death is not.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They were defeated by 2009. Abdication in Iraq and lassitude in Syria enabled their reemergence.
    Oh for crying out loud. Thats the whole problem with this neo-conservative world view. You can't defeat them. They just scatter to the shadows like roaches and grow in numbers until you leave. We hit one terrorist group and it just splits into two. The only way you keep them under control is to do what we did for decades in the Middle East, support brutal dictators that kept them in check.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Oh for crying out loud. Thats the whole problem with this neo-conservative world view. You can't defeat them. They just scatter to the shadows like roaches and grow in numbers until you leave. We hit one terrorist group and it just splits into two. The only way you keep them under control is to do what we did for decades in the Middle East, support brutal dictators that kept them in check.
    Both BHO and Biden proclaimed it a victory. I don't think they're neocons.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because hope is attractive and death is not.
    If death is not attractive..... then why do you pine so badly for war?

    What do we gain from our American dead while Meddling in the Middle East?

    Do you honestly think spending more billions and more decades will somehow make a dent in the instability of that region of the world?

    We've already spend over 13 years between Afganistan and Iraq meddling in their affairs........ You can make all the partisan claims you want about, "Well everything would be peaches and cherries if Obama had just done this, or that, or the other thing" but face the goddamned facts.... That area would still be what it is.... Maybe ISIS wouldn't be around... maybe they would still be covertly waiting for the eventual day in which we did finally leave, unless of course you think it is prudent to stay there for over a century to ensure they don't wait us out.... meanwhile our nation goes Bankrupt attempting to keep this thing financed and we still aren't any closer to stability in the middle east.

    You cannot stabilize this volatile area of the world by occupying them. It is against the very nature of their culture and it will never work.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Both BHO and Biden proclaimed it a victory. I don't think they're neocons.
    It was a "victory" in that we left Iraq with an elected government and a large defense force. It is not our fault that the government of Iraq is so corrupt and ineffectual that they cannot defeat ISIS with an Iraqi defense force numbering in the hundreds of thousands. We could stay there a hundred years spending a hundred billion a year and the government would no less corrupt than it is today.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    If death is not attractive..... then why do you pine so badly for war?

    What do we gain from our American dead while Meddling in the Middle East?

    Do you honestly think spending more billions and more decades will somehow make a dent in the instability of that region of the world?

    We've already spend over 13 years between Afganistan and Iraq meddling in their affairs........ You can make all the partisan claims you want about, "Well everything would be peaches and cherries if Obama had just done this, or that, or the other thing" but face the goddamned facts.... That area would still be what it is.... Maybe ISIS wouldn't be around... maybe they would still be covertly waiting for the eventual day in which we did finally leave, unless of course you think it is prudent to stay there for over a century to ensure they don't wait us out.... meanwhile our nation goes Bankrupt attempting to keep this thing financed and we still aren't any closer to stability in the middle east.

    You cannot stabilize this volatile area of the world by occupying them. It is against the very nature of their culture and it will never work.
    Why do you think I pine for war?
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why do you think I pine for war?
    Maybe you don't.

    It would appear your only posts in this thread outside of replying to me to disagree with me have been nothing but a partisan hackery jerkfest.

    If you want to continue being a partisan, by all means, but we won't have anything to discuss...

    Im not here to talk about what Obama or Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or Carter or Ford or Nixon or Johnson or Kennedy or Eisenhower or Truman did......

    Don't give a ****....

    I care about what America is doing.

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