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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Outside of Kurdish controlled areas, it wasn't operating in Iraq until 2004. In fact, Saddam was hostile to the group:

    Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf
    Saddam Hussein was hostile to every terror sponsored group, because he wanted to control Iraq, totally.

    I did a Google search using this simple phrase (how bush destabilized the middle east) and this is one of the articles found in the search;
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    He took us to war based on a lie, with no plan on what to do after Saddam was out of power, and absolutely no exit strategy. And after he signed the SOFA agreement requiring all of our troops to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011, it was only a matter of time before some radical Islamic group tried to take over Iraq. - See more at: ISIS is Just Another Problem Caused by Bush that Republicans are Blaming on Obama
    So basically, removing Saddam Hussein was the beginning of the ruination of Iraq. One big mistake.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    If he served what difference does it makes? At least he's not a chickenhawk.

    We live in weird times. Unlike Vietnam the civilians kiss our arses and say everbody in uniform is a hero, or thank us for serving, or put worthless yellow ribbons on their car windows. But our fellow veterans treat each other like crap at times.
    The difference it makes, is that most civilians can't appreciate the importance of swift, decisive action. It doesn't mean there's anything wrngnwith them, but they lack the vision and experience to opine from an informed position.

    Had we acted decisively back in June, we might not be having this conversation. We passed up a damn good opportunity to destroy the ISIS main body, as it invaded Iraq.

    Ultimately, the point is, we have people screaming for inaction, but if--when--that course turns out to be the wrong one, none of those people are going to have to face the consequences. They're certainly willing to accept the city compounded consequences of waiting, since they know their kids D's won't ever be in the line of fire. You think the isolationists of the 1930's sent their kids to WW2, after things had blown up to the point that 400,000 Americans had to die to wrap things up? Why hell no!
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Saddam Hussein was hostile to every terror sponsored group, because he wanted to control Iraq, totally.

    I did a Google search using this simple phrase (how bush destabilized the middle east) and this is one of the articles found in the search;
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    So basically, removing Saddam Hussein was the beginning of the ruination of Iraq. One big mistake.
    Not every terrorist group.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Saddam Hussein was hostile to every terror sponsored group, because he wanted to control Iraq, totally.

    I did a Google search using this simple phrase (how bush destabilized the middle east) and this is one of the articles found in the search;
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    So basically, removing Saddam Hussein was the beginning of the ruination of Iraq. One big mistake.
    Funny, a Progressive website misses entirely that the final SOF agreement fell on Obama to negotiate.

    A quick question: If the Bush SOF that he negotiated in 2008 had orders to leave 16,000 troops in Iraq do you think Obama would have kept 16,000 troops in Iraq?

    Bush stated at the time that he was negotiating a SOF agreement that would leave the SOF in place for the next President. Obama actually used that statement at the time to target McCain as a Bush lackey. Obama wanted to get the troops out of Iraq, he said so. The only reason they were there in 2011 was because he needed to do it closer to his second election run. He submarined the SOF negotiation so that he could keep his promise even while all the grown ups in the room were urging a larger force in Iraq.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Saddam Hussein was hostile to every terror sponsored group, because he wanted to control Iraq, totally.

    I did a Google search using this simple phrase (how bush destabilized the middle east) and this is one of the articles found in the search;
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    So basically, removing Saddam Hussein was the beginning of the ruination of Iraq. One big mistake.
    Well I don't think Obama has done a very good job of handling the problem at all. However, I am sure as hell not stupid enough to trust the same bunch that got use into this mess in the first place with it.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    He was arrested for immigration violations, and FISA regulations prohibited the FBI from going any further in pulling information from Moussaoui's personal items.

    In fact, it was this stone wall that would later lead to the FISA court changes in the PATRIOT Act.
    How did the FISA court stop the FBI from checking the other flight schools? That was because Bush kept telling everyone that he didn't want to hear anything about Bin Laden because he "thought" it was all a Iraqi plot to prevent him from invading Iraq. He took his eye off the ball because he wanted to get Saddam for supposedly putting a "hit" on his father. It was also the hight of incompetence for a man whose primary job was to protect the American people.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    How did the FISA court stop the FBI from checking the other flight schools? That was because Bush kept telling everyone that he didn't want to hear anything about Bin Laden because he "thought" it was all a Iraqi plot to prevent him from invading Iraq. He took his eye off the ball because he wanted to get Saddam for supposedly putting a "hit" on his father. It was also the hight of incompetence for a man whose primary job was to protect the American people.
    Because at the time they had no evidence that Moussaoui was planning to commit a crime other than stay in the country illegally, they were shot down by the FISA court and therefor had no case to build. Are you arguing that the FBI should investigate the daily routine of every person who owns Microsoft Flight Simulator or just the Muslim ones?
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because at the time they had no evidence that Moussaoui was planning to commit a crime other than stay in the country illegally, they were shot down by the FISA court and therefor had no case to build. Are you arguing that the FBI should investigate the daily routine of every person who owns Microsoft Flight Simulator or just the Muslim ones?
    LOL Moussaoui was caught training at a commercial aircraft flight school not on a home computer. I'de say that is a difference. The fact that they didn't even check the other schools to see who was training says volumes about the mindset of our intelligence services at the time. They were obviously afraid to find out something that Bush would not like hearing. Like a REAL Al Qaeda plot.


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    only mean to say that it was a very favorably disposed chronicler who wrote this, in describing Tenet's reaction on the terrible morning of Sept. 11, 2001:
    "This has bin Laden all over it," Tenet told Boren. "I've got to go." He also had another reaction, one that raised the real possibility that the CIA and the FBI had not done all that could have been done to prevent the terrorist attack. "I wonder," Tenet said, "if it has anything to do with this guy taking pilot training."
    Notice the direct quotes that make it clear who is the author of this brilliant insight. And then pause for a second. The author is almost the only man who could have known of Zacarias Moussaoui and his co-conspirators—the very man who positively knew they were among us, in flight schools, and then decided to leave them alone
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...s_history.html
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you don't have an answer? Why should we keep fighting their wars for them? Bush spent billions training and equipping the Iraqi's and for what? The Saudi's have the largest army in the ME and ISIS is after them but you want to send our men instead. When will we learn?
    There is simply no arab military that has the strength to effectively fight, hold, and stabilize Iraq.
    I wouldn't even trust a european to do the same, and arabs hate each other perhaps more than they hate westerners.

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    ISIS had its start in Syria, how would us staying in Iraq prevented that? We were told that Bush left a stable Iraq under Maliki are you saying he lied?
    Its fascinating listening to you lefties talk. Are you positing that our withdrawal from Iraq by Obama for his personal political gain had no relation to the rise of ISIS?

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