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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    He's a liberal. He believes that if it were Obama he would have been taking out potential hijackers with flying side kicks and nun chucks before the sunset on the day Moussaoui was arrested.
    Are you saying that the FBI should not have checked the records of the other flight schools when the CIA had already given warnings that "Al Qaeda was determined to strike the US" and when Bush's daily brief included this ominous quote " We have not been able to coorborate some of the more sensational threat reporting such as that from a ----- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack US aircraft...."

    http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB...db8-6-2001.pdf

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush signed the agreement that got us out of Iraq. Obama tried to get it extended but Maliki would not.
    Also a complete and utter lie. The results of the US pullout of Iraq laid entirely on Obama's administration. In fact Maliki wanted more troops to remain in Iraq, but Obama offered fewer troops and a misguided attempt at power sharing. Gates and Maliki wasn't something closer to 16,000 troops, Obama pushed Gates to back 10,000, and then out of the blue Obama dropped the offer to 1,500 troops. This would force Maliki into a position where he would have to deal with the hardliners in Parliament for keeping American troops while getting no one of the security benefits Maliki knew he needed.

    Obama killed the negotiations. Nobody else. Read the NYT account. Obama's abysmal performance is detailed in the section "Another Obstacle" (aka. President Obama)
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying that the FBI should not have checked the records of the other flight schools when the CIA had already given warnings that "Al Qaeda was determined to strike the US" and when Bush's daily brief included this ominous quote " We have not been able to coorborate some of the more sensational threat reporting such as that from a ----- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack US aircraft...."

    http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB...db8-6-2001.pdf
    Hmmm... does the phrase "we have not been able to corroborate" mean something different in your language?
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Bush didn't leave Iraq, Obama did. Are you saying Obama left an unstable Iraq?
    Obama left Iraq on the time table that Bush agreed to. I suspect that we would have left by the terms of that agreement, regardless of who was POTUS.

    Obviously Iraq was still somewhat unstable, but no one was predicting that ISIS would move in like they did.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Also a complete and utter lie. The results of the US pullout of Iraq laid entirely on Obama's administration. In fact Maliki wanted more troops to remain in Iraq, but Obama offered fewer troops and a misguided attempt at power sharing. Gates and Maliki wasn't something closer to 16,000 troops, Obama pushed Gates to back 10,000, and then out of the blue Obama dropped the offer to 1,500 troops. This would force Maliki into a position where he would have to deal with the hardliners in Parliament for keeping American troops while getting no one of the security benefits Maliki knew he needed.

    Obama killed the negotiations. Nobody else. Read the NYT account. Obama's abysmal performance is detailed in the section "Another Obstacle" (aka. President Obama)
    But ending the U.S. troop presence in Iraq was an overwhelmingly popular demand among Iraqis, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki appears to have been unwilling to take the political risk of extending it. While he was inclined to see a small number of American soldiers stay behind to continue mentoring Iraqi forces, the likes of Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, on whose support Maliki’s ruling coalition depends, were having none of it. Even the Obama Administration’s plan to keep some 3,000 trainers behind failed because the Iraqis were unwilling to grant them the legal immunity from local prosecution that is common to SOF agreements in most countries where U.S. forces are based.
    Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com

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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Hunch?
    On August 16, 2001, Moussaoui was arrested in Minnesota by the FBI and charged with an immigration violation. He aroused suspicion over his flight training courses that he took in Eagan, Minnesota.

    Zacarias Moussaoui - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    He was arrested for immigration violations, and FISA regulations prohibited the FBI from going any further in pulling information from Moussaoui's personal items.

    In fact, it was this stone wall that would later lead to the FISA court changes in the PATRIOT Act.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Not to mention keeping troops in Iraq was unpopular among US citizens. His decision to remove all troops from Iraq had a 75% approval rating! Putting even the 3,000 on the table was against what both Americans and Iraqis wanted.

    I find it interesting that all this hindsight looking back by conservatives doesn't apply to going into Iraq in the first place.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Time got it wrong and the New York Times got it right. The problem was that Obama at the last minute offered Maliki only 10% of the troops that he and US SecDef thought would be needed. Obama killed the negotiation with radical demands.

    But then this is Obama's bull**** modus operandi. When he wants to kill a negotiation he makes crazy offers, backs out of agreements, and then blames the other side for killing the negotiations (he did this with the Republicans on the "big budget deal" a few years back). He is a wholly unscrupulous negotiator who can't be trusted. This is why he has been unable to accomplish anything of value since losing the House in 2010.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Obama left Iraq on the time table that Bush agreed to. I suspect that we would have left by the terms of that agreement, regardless of who was POTUS.

    Obviously Iraq was still somewhat unstable, but no one was predicting that ISIS would move in like they did.
    *sigh* Obama left Iraq because B-b-booooosh.


    So tell me, if this was all about Bush's negotiation then why was Obama negotiating a SOF with Iraq? How many troops did the Booosh administration agree to leave in the country?
    Last edited by jmotivator; 02-02-15 at 03:52 PM.
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    Re: Gov. Scott Walker: Don't Rule Out 'Boots on the Ground' Against ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying that the FBI should not have checked the records of the other flight schools when the CIA had already given warnings that "Al Qaeda was determined to strike the US" and when Bush's daily brief included this ominous quote " We have not been able to coorborate some of the more sensational threat reporting such as that from a ----- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack US aircraft...."

    http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB...db8-6-2001.pdf
    Who would have ever thought a terrorist group would try to highjack an airplane. That is crazy talk.

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