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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Peter King said:
Not a problem. And good luck with the appointment.
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Thanks... sorry I can't direct you better though, it was a flurry of posts this morning. :)
 
Peter King said:
Yes, because in most parts of the Netherlands the level of vaccination is higher than 95%. Sadly in a small part, the bible belt where they choose to not vaccinate out of religious reasons. They feel that if their child gets polio, measles or a deadly disease that is vaccinated against, then they/the child must have done something that god is punishing them for.
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Religious freedom.

Freedom in general is a little risky. :shrug:
 
Ockham said:
Vaccinations do not work for 100% of the people and they are not 100% effective - there are always exceptions. And even if someone gets a vaccination for themselves or their kids, they should investigate what it is, what it's made of, what the risks are and question the doctor or other health professionals about their specific children or family members before having it. They should also consult the schools system and even legal representation if they feel strongly about the issue before either accepting or rejecting a vaccination. As already stated, there are legitimate cases where a child getting a vaccination could cause more damage than not getting it.
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You might want to ask how many illegal aliens are now in the same school as your children. As long as they are here we are in danger.
 
Cardinal said:
In support of vaccinations: the medical community. Against vaccinations: non-doctors and a Playboy model.

The side you are on determines whether or not you are anti-science.
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Tough choice...could I see a photo of the model before I decide?
 
Cardinal said:
If you are facing off against the entire medical community, and if you do not even have a medical education yourself, and if the most famous spokesman for your cause is a Playbody model, you are most certainly not on the "most reasonable side."
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Play body? Boy! I sure hope it is a woman. Show me the photo!
 
paddymcdougall said:
And don't forget - the measles vaccine came in 1963. I was born in 1962, and have no idea if I got the vaccine or not; I know I never had measles. CDC is recommending that even those adults who did get vaccinated in the 1960s get re-vaccinated. I only know that because I've been reading up on the current measles outbreak in California. I'll get vaccinated now. But I could easily have gotten measles from unvaccinated kids before I get the vaccine. How many people aren't reading the CDC details, who are assuming their 1960s vaccines are sufficient? They are at risk.

Kids need to be vaccinated. period. I know you agree; I can't believe there are people who don't.
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Maybe we should secure our borders and keep illegal aliens who carry these diseases out of our country.
 
Misterveritis said:
Let me guess, you will have nothing but praise for the monster who encouraged the invasion by illegal aliens who brought in the diseases with them.

How do you feel about American Indians? Just checking.
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Oh? So you know these diseases were "brought" by illegal aliens and weren't here all along? Wait, you can't actually prove that because the measles could have been brought over by any number of migrants who don't vaccinate. From the Amish, to any legal US traveler who didn't need anything other than a tourist visa to enter the country. That essentially makes your silly xenophobia soooo 19th century.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Agree.


We should get government out of the business of running schools. Let private companies offer educational experiences. Allow them to set their own requirements for receiving their service for a fee. Some can choose to accept those who have no vaccines. Others can demand it as a term of service.

Secure our borders.

Problem solved.
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It only solves the problem if there is an entity controlling what is taught. There should be an educational standard that every school is held to, be it public, private or home schools. Otherwise, you risk crazy religious people teaching a bunch of irrational nonsense to their kids. I reject that there should be any kids without vaccines, it isn't just the kids in schools that are at risk, it is *ALL* of society.
 
Amadeus said:
It should be a parent's choice whether or not to vaccinate their child. And should they choose not to, they should probably be investigated by CPS. Something fishy going on in that household.
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This is more evil. Parents, not the state, are responsible for their children.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well yeah, when one of their reasons for being against vaccination is so completely refuted for them that there is no way they could possibly deny it, they just jump over the to next reason. For example, when the Naturalist Nancy has her views challenged sufficiently enough, she becomes Hygienic Helen.

The only only two they left out were:

Liberty Larry who believes he is exercising his freedom by not vaccinating his kids (no better way of making a political statement than risking your kids health to do so).

Fundamentalist Fred who believes vaccinating his kids against diseases like Hepatitis and HPV only gives them a license to fornicate and become sodomites and harlots.
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AS their children die shouldn't that make you happy?
 
Bodhisattva said:
When we withheld vaccinations one of the primary reasons was because we wanted our children to contract a disease so that they could specifically spread it to kill people...

... how did you figure out our creative plan? Was it on CSI?
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How did you perform the targeting function?
 
"I Don’t Vaccinate My Child Because It’s My Right To Decide What Eliminated Diseases Come Roaring Back


The decision to cause a full-blown, multi-state pandemic of a virus that was effectively eliminated from the national population generations ago is my choice alone, and regardless of your personal convictions, that right should never be taken away from a child’s parent. Never. Say what you will about me, but I’ve read the information out there and weighed every option, so I am confident in my choice to revive a debilitating illness that was long ago declared dead and let it spread like wildfire from school to school, town to town, and state to state, until it reaches every corner of the country. Leaving such a momentous decision to someone you haven’t even met and who doesn’t care about your child personally—now that’s absurd! Maybe I choose to bring back the mumps. Or maybe it’s diphtheria. Or maybe it’s some other potentially fatal disease that can easily pass among those too young or too medically unfit to be vaccinated themselves. But whichever highly communicable and formerly wiped-out disease that I opt to resurrect with a vengeance, it is a highly personal decision that only I and my family have the liberty to make.


You may choose to follow the government-recommended immunization schedule for your child, and that's your decision as a parent. And I might choose to unleash rubella on thousands upon thousands of helpless people, and that's my decision as a parent."
Serenity said:
God, I love the Onion.
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Did the idiot rag and the author mention the invasion of diseased illegal aliens?

That dangerous asshole in the white house did this.
 
Misterveritis said:
That dangerous asshole in the white house did this.
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You know, making **** up, it's not going help you:

LOS ANGELES -- The largest U.S. measles outbreak in recent history isn't the one that started in December at Disneyland. It happened months earlier in Ohio's Amish country, where 383 people fell ill after unvaccinated Amish missionaries travelled to the Philippines and returned with the virus.

The Ohio episode drew far less attention, even though the number of cases was almost four times that of the Southern California outbreak, because it seemed to pose little threat outside close-knit religious communities.

The Disneyland outbreak has already spread well beyond the theme parks that attract tens of thousands of visitors from around the globe, who could then return home with the virus. Disease investigators for weeks raced to identify measles-stricken patients, track down potential contacts and quarantine them if necessary.

Read more: Disneyland measles outbreak isn't largest in recent memory | CTV News
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Let me guess, Obama made the Amish contract measles and bring it back to the US? As I stated earlier, there are literally millions of people who travel through the US every single year illegally AND legally. Not all of them are vaccinated. Measles could have entered the country about a million different ways and not necessarily through illegal immigrants. Keep making it up as you go though.
 
DiAnna said:
WHO | Measles

Measles is not akin to the common cold. It is a killer, a very serious disease that kills and brings lifelong complications... in my case, it attacked my eyesight, making me almost legally blind for much of my childhood. A simple and safe vaccine prevents that. People who refuse to get their healthy, non-allergic children vaccinated should be prosecuted for public health violations, in my opinion. A bunch of idiots who are playing Russian roulette not only with their own kids' lives, but the lives of babies too young to get vaccinated, immune-damaged sick children who aren't well enough to be vaccinated, and children allergic to components of the vaccination.

Words cannot express how disgusted I am by these parents.
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Prosecuted?

Were your parents jailed? Did you press charges?

How do you feel about the invasion? How do you feel about that piece of absolute **** in the white house who encouraged this invasion of diseased illegal aliens? Should he be prosecuted? The correct answer is "Yes, Misterveritis. The piece of absolute **** should be prosecuted for failing to secure our borders."
 
Deuce said:
No, the vast majority of the population reacts exactly the same.
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I was in a unit in the military that flew off, from time to time, on very short notice to visit interesting places. My international shot record is full. Every single time I received my shots I had different reactions to them. Sometimes I simply felt uncomfortable for a few hours. Other times I was sick for days. Each person in my unit responded differently to the shots. But then, I suppose we are not to be included in the "vast majority" who have no voice.

Clearly, I was not opposed to the hundreds of shots I received over the years. I do believe the people, and not busybody bureaucrats, should decide.
 
Cephus said:
I don't care about the wishes of anyone, there are things that need to be done for the good of society, regardless of someone's personal wishes on the subject.
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This indicates the heart of a tyrant.
 
Misterveritis said:
Play body? Boy! I sure hope it is a woman. Show me the photo!
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I have been thankful Cardinal left this thread and there you go draggin' him back in.. :lol:
 
Cephus said:
I don't care about the wishes of anyone, there are things that need to be done for the good of society, regardless of someone's personal wishes on the subject.
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...like nationalized health care?
 
Misterveritis said:
Securing our border is the answer. ...
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From post #777

Just sayin' Vectors or Victims? Docs Slam Rumors That Migrants Carry Disease - NBC News
World Bank statistics indicate that some of the countries that the kids are traveling from actually have higher vaccination rates than the United States.
The U.S. has a 92 percent vaccination rate for measles.
Mexico vaccinates 99 percent of its children;
Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras all have a 93 percent vaccination rate.
And there are a lot of California communities with far lower vaccination rates than the national average and it's in these communities where the outbreaks are happening....
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/im...cs-slam-rumors-migrants-carry-disease-n152216
 
Misterveritis said:
The illegal aliens who are bringing these diseases in should be kept out of the country. Those who support open borders are incredibly ignorant, self-centered idiots.
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Yeah, because it is all them messican's fault.

Obsessed, you are...
 
Misterveritis said:
"I Don’t Vaccinate My Child Because It’s My Right To Decide What Eliminated Diseases Come Roaring Back


The decision to cause a full-blown, multi-state pandemic of a virus that was effectively eliminated from the national population generations ago is my choice alone, and regardless of your personal convictions, that right should never be taken away from a child’s parent. Never. Say what you will about me, but I’ve read the information out there and weighed every option, so I am confident in my choice to revive a debilitating illness that was long ago declared dead and let it spread like wildfire from school to school, town to town, and state to state, until it reaches every corner of the country. Leaving such a momentous decision to someone you haven’t even met and who doesn’t care about your child personally—now that’s absurd! Maybe I choose to bring back the mumps. Or maybe it’s diphtheria. Or maybe it’s some other potentially fatal disease that can easily pass among those too young or too medically unfit to be vaccinated themselves. But whichever highly communicable and formerly wiped-out disease that I opt to resurrect with a vengeance, it is a highly personal decision that only I and my family have the liberty to make.


You may choose to follow the government-recommended immunization schedule for your child, and that's your decision as a parent. And I might choose to unleash rubella on thousands upon thousands of helpless people, and that's my decision as a parent."

Did the idiot rag and the author mention the invasion of diseased illegal aliens?

That dangerous asshole in the white house did this.
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It's not quite aggregated to levels of full-blown, multi-state pandemic.
 
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