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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

"and they might die."

OK, if you see our society 'practically' just letting people die, that's not remotely realistic.

Why? If some moron wants to smoke or some idiot drive his motorcycle in rush hour traffic with no helmet and those people die I could care less. Seriously. Why should tax dollars or increasing my medical insurance costs occur. **** that guy who is infringing on my wallet. Society needs to let these people die so that more people will learn their lesson. Hell, I never wanted anybody to pay for my actions when I was doing crazy stuff.

And as I told Mac, the draft is still legal and it's only wishful thinking that allows people to say 'it will not happen again.' We dont know.

I am not mac. It could happen again and if it does I pray somebody challenges it and SCOTUS makes the correct and Constitutional Decision and repeals draft laws...

As for voting, do voters know or not know that war is a Congressional and sometimes executive decision? They should.

It is an Executive Action for only 60 days by order of the War Powers Act. That is why things like Grenada and Panama occur. Then it requires Congress to fund and legalize continuation.

It would take a new draft to happen before anybody would vote on that issue, really.
 
A "witch hunt" against people who put their children, and the children of others, at greater risk based on incorrect beliefs, yes. If by "witch hunt" you mean "saying mean things about them on a message board."

No, I mean about people trying to make laws, and emotionally lashing out at others without proof that the numbers have aggregated to such levels. How much more risk are those people's children and how much more risk have they put your children in? If you want to make these claims, you need numbers to back it up.

The problem is that people just regurgitate what they hear without thinking. And that's where things break down, when people stop thinking. So instead of throwing out these emotionally charged words, why don't you throw out the statistics instead. The truth is in the data.
 
I didn't either. The government however signed both of us up anyway.

Do they? I don't remember ever signing up and assumed they just must do it but was never sure.
 
Are you a parent?



Are you a parent?

I am a parent. I had my children vaccinated and they have/will have ( at proper age ) their children vaccinated.
 
Do they? I don't remember ever signing up and assumed they just must do it but was never sure.

That's what I have read, but mac is making me think that perhaps I'm wrong. I know there was a kid a few years ago that was arrested after he announced he didn't sign up on facebook though.
 
It would take a new draft to happen before anybody would vote on that issue, really.

It would actually HAVE to happen in order for someone to challenge it at SCOTUS.
 
Yes. When did it occur?

edit: didn't read your whole reply.

So, was there a treatment for it in the 14th century? Is there a treatment for it now?

Is there a vaccine for it?

Apparently there is but it is only recommended for those that work in the field (scientists and such) and those that work in labs... with rodents.

Plague Vaccine
 
It would actually HAVE to happen in order for someone to challenge it at SCOTUS.

So threatening kids with imprisonment isn't enough?
 
That's what I have read, but mac is making me think that perhaps I'm wrong. I know there was a kid a few years ago that was arrested after he announced he didn't sign up on facebook though.

I think that that may be a bit of urban legend....
 
It would actually HAVE to happen in order for someone to challenge it at SCOTUS.

Agreed. I think I said that in a recent post too...
 
Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.

I think those parents are stupid/ignorant, why risk the death of your child?
 
That's what I have read, but mac is making me think that perhaps I'm wrong. I know there was a kid a few years ago that was arrested after he announced he didn't sign up on facebook though.

****. That sucks. For those monitoring the Internet... Now I remember! YES. I signed up.
 
Agreed. I think I said that in a recent post too...

Right, so, the fact that it's "legal" in the sense that Lursa is using it is moot. It will remain so until someone has standing to challenge it, and that won't happen until someone gets drafted.
 
Right, so, the fact that it's "legal" in the sense that Lursa is using it is moot. It will remain so until someone has standing to challenge it, and that won't happen until someone gets drafted.

Yep...
 
I think those parents are stupid/ignorant, why risk the death of your child?

Risking the death (or harm) of the Child is why they aren't doing it. At least that's what they think.
 
****. That sucks. For those monitoring the Internet... Now I remember! YES. I signed up.

Bleh, if they want me they can come and get me. If they want to waste resources on a 32 year old guy with a ****ty shoulder bad elbow, and a ****ed up hand they are more than welcome to it.
 
Are you a parent?

No, but I am a son and a proud uncle. You don't have to be a parent to have an opinion on this. And if I get children they will be vaccinated, no questions asked.
 
In that type of investigation you disclose anything out of the ordinary. :shrug:

Do you have a government security clearance related job? I have a family member that does and has routine FBI checks... the neighbors are used to it now.
 
Risking the death (or harm) of the Child is why they aren't doing it. At least that's what they think.

Well, and they are wrong. Even last year a child died in my country (in the bible belt) as the result of measles. It can kill and there is no logical reason to deny your child the protection against measles or polio.
 
Bleh, if they want me they can come and get me. If they want to waste resources on a 32 year old guy with a ****ty shoulder bad elbow, and a ****ed up hand they are more than welcome to it.

Same here... and I am in another country now although I am a physical masterpiece of perfection at 43 years old. Except for my bad back. Two bad shoulders. Three past concussions. Not much cartilage in my knee. A bunch of other minor pains. Man, Extreme sports can mess you up.
 
No, but I am a son and a proud uncle. You don't have to be a parent to have an opinion on this. And if I get children they will be vaccinated, no questions asked.

You don't have to be a parent to have an opinion but until you have a child and have to make a difficult decision regarding their life I will ignore the insults and the opinion...
 
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