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Penn and Teller put it very succinctly, with an "F" bomb or two as well.
Because their decisions are selfish...they can unintentionally kill people because they didnt bother to get proper training.
That is right... tell that to the parents of children that died as a result of getting vaccinated. Tell that to the parents of the kids that started drooling within minutes or went deaf soon after vaccinations. Tell that to the parents. Tell that to the parents that get scoffed at or ridiculed by the medical community just like some of the ****ing low life pieces of **** do on this site that it is idiotic ignorance to not vaccinate. Tell that to me... please. Call me ignorant. Really... please. Then we can see what kind of person you really are. Others are welcome to as well...
As I've said, doctors can assess kid's likelihood of allergic reactions and other sensitivities. Medical dispensation (opt-outs) had been working quite well overall.
It's all about balancing risks. Most parents are smart enough to realize that their kids are better off being vaccinated, the risk/reward is better.
I dont take vaccine safety for granted, I have to think about it, and which ones, every year with my animals which seem to have even higher reactions and issues. I try to make educated decisions with the advice of my vets.
Why only the focus on the death rates?
This isn't chicken pox. It's not just being itchy for a week.
You want to have the benefits of society -i.e. public school - you follow the rules - vaccinate your kids..
By the early 1990s only two states still listed suicide as a crime, and these have since removed that classification
Suicide legislation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...and that is unconstitutional. It violates the 5th Amendment...
True and although I find those unconstitutional an adult should be allowed to choose for themselves... not for anybody under 18 though as they are not adults.
As I've said, doctors can assess kid's likelihood of allergic reactions and other sensitivities. Medical dispensation (opt-outs) had been working quite well overall.
It's all about balancing risks. Most parents are smart enough to realize that their kids are better off being vaccinated, the risk/reward is better.
I dont take vaccine safety for granted, I have to think about it, and which ones, every year with my animals which seem to have even higher reactions and issues. I try to make educated decisions with the advice of my vets.
I am not Bman... your argument might apply with him but it does not with me.
I calmed down but are you going to tell that to the parents of kids affected by vaccines?
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There are several things you dont seem to understand about it but one thing herd immunity helps with are those that cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. Herd immunity provides them with *some* protection but bringing them into less contact with the disease.
Kids still die. If you dont want to pay attention until their bodies pile up, that's up to you.
It's been happening here in WA St for 3 yrs with whooping cough. Lack of vaccination has led to several dead babies a year. Not enough to rate in your system apparently.
I can't remember... are you a parent?
Yup, you need statistical significance. That's how measurements work, that's how you can tell if there are real issues. While people should be vaccinated, we're not all going to die because some haven't. The hysterics around this topic on both sides are unnecessary.
You want to have the benefits of society -i.e. public school - you follow the rules - vaccinate your kids.
Yup, dont know **** about the significance of herd immunity.
Pretesting should be mandatory... most parents are only told about how safe it is and to not worry... MOST. By then it is too late... until pre-testing is law there is no way I sign off on forcing vaccinations and even then I most likely wouldn't.
I calmed down but are you going to tell that to the parents of kids affected by vaccines?
What do you tell parents of any kids that get sick or die? Everyone knows even the simplest procedures can have unforseen consequences. As you said, life isnt fair.
Well re: suicide they'll take your liberty from you anyway, as a psych case, at least for awhile and you can lose your kids too. So there are still major infringements on your right to do so. I disagree with it being illegal myself.
And while I dont like helmet laws and seat belt, the reasoning is that it falls on the taxpayers when people cant pay the medical bills and permanent hospitalization for vegetables, for example. The alternative is to let those people die (including letting them starve to death lying on a gurney when permanently physically or mentally disabled.)
I also dont believe in the draft but if needed I can also see how it serves the security of the entire country if enough people dont enlist. And in that case, then I think women should be drafted too.
You raised an objection to my post, which was a response to him. But I'm glad you agree that extrapolation to such extremes is unwarranted. That was exactly the point I was trying to demonstrate.
Everyone agrees that the government can and should take reasonable measures to ensure that person A's actions don't cause undue harm to person B.
You are just drawing that reasonable measure line a bit differently than we are, so let's not act like this is some dramatic and fundamental philosophical difference.
Where are all those dead, sick kids in states below herd immunity levels?
And herd immunity is not static and it's efficacy is fluid. There can be 'more' and 'less.'
I also dont believe in the draft but if needed I can also see how it serves the security of the entire country if enough people dont enlist. And in that case, then I think women should be drafted too.
"**** happens."
If a society does not believe in the war there is no way that Congress should unconstitutionally force military service. The nation simply would not partake in the war. IF the war is serious enough or just enough the people will fight. History has proven that fact time and time again.
I am for letting smokers pay for their own health costs, those that do not wear helmets them too... if they can't then yes, they might die. **** them. I was heavy into extreme sports. Downhill mountain biking with all the huge ass jumps, etc. Cliff jumping. Big wave surfing and bodysurfing (25 feet when bodysurfing). Stuff like that. My problem if I get hurt. Same as in life. I have an attitude that many don't because they see things as another person's fault. When you live life on the edge you see things differently. Hell, I used to mess with rattle snakes in the wild even. Charged by a moose. Walked among bears.
Suicide is not illegal...
Absolutely agreed... and well played.
**** happens and I don't mind what happened to my daughter. I do not blame anybody for what happened. I do, however, have little patience for people that play the hypocrisy game that you are an idiot or ignorant if you do not vaccinate and your child gets a disease but ignore the fact that many children have serious adverse reactions to the vaccine itself.
No. But I have lots of nieces and nephews.
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You didnt answer the questions in any practical sense. Congress cant necessarily wait for population consensus on war. You make your decision when you vote.