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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

But that's only because the vast majority of the country aren't whack job anti-vaxers and get their kids vaccinated. If we all were as ill informed and irrational as them the chances of infants dying of measles and all the other diseases nearly eradicated by vaccines would increase and become serious health threats, again.

We can't afford to pander to science denying crazy people or treat their views on vaccinations as anything remotely approaching respectable. If widely adopted, their advice would have serious harmful affects on public health.
Sorry, but when you resort to spreading misleading information or outright lies to get your point across, you're as much of a "denier" of reality as those who you'd like to pretend are so crazy and different.

Besides, since when did telling the truth become "pandering?"
 
Lifespan is about a LOT more than vaccines... next?

Sure it is, but you can't point out that the human race has survived as if that's an argument against vaccines. Go count the numbers paralyzed by polio... They survived....
 
Sure it is, but you can't point out that the human race has survived as if that's an argument against vaccines. Go count the numbers paralyzed by polio... They survived....

When did I argue against vaccines?
 
And had a lifespan of about 40, but who's counting....

Living to eighty just means you live to the point where you body is horse**** and you're better off dead.
 
On the Turks & Caicos for vacation.
When time permits
Sound fair to you?

Yes... In New Zealand on vacation. Talk to yo ulater.
 
The human race survived just fine for thousands upon thousands of years without vaccinations...

And Helen Keller was born deaf and blind because her mother contracted rubella when pregnant with her.
 
Living to eighty just means you live to the point where you body is horse**** and you're better off dead.

Much of the time... yeah. This long life span sounds great but many people spend their last ten years on oxygen barely able to move. Sounds great. :roll:
 
And Helen Keller was born deaf and blind because her mother contracted rubella when pregnant with her.

Seems that she turned out to be something of a legend... not too bad, eh?
 
Much of the time... yeah. This long life span sounds great but many people spend their last ten years on oxygen barely able to move. Sounds great. :roll:

Exactly. Having a long life sounds great on paper, but in reality the quality of your life decreases as you age and by the time you reach 80 or so you're suffering from all sorts of things more than likely.
 
Exactly. Having a long life sounds great on paper, but in reality the quality of your life decreases as you age and by the time you reach 80 or so you're suffering from all sorts of things more than likely.

Both my grandmothers are alive and in their 90's and if one of them was not filthy rich I would say that both of their lives have sucked for the past 5-10 years.
 
Many schools demand students have vaccinations. Thoughts on vaccination are? Consider the costs of not having your child vaccinated- not always money- but health risks to themselves and others.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/u...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. — Their children have been sent home from school. Their families are barred from birthday parties and neighborhood play dates. Online, people call them negligent and criminal. And as officials in 14 states grapple to contain a spreading measles outbreak that began near here at Disneyland, the parents at the heart of America’s anti-vaccine movement are being blamed for incubating an otherwise preventable public-health crisis.

Measles anxiety rippled thousands of miles beyond its center on Friday as officials scrambled to try to contain a wider spread of the highly contagious disease — which America declared vanquished 15 years ago, before a statistically significant number of parents started refusing to vaccinate their children.



16 Years Ago, A Doctor Published A Study. It Was Completely Made Up, And It Made Us All Sicker.
16 Years Ago, A Doctor Published A Study. It Was Completely Made Up, And It Made Us All Sicker.

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https://medium.com/the-nib/vaccines-work-here-are-the-facts-5de3d0f9ffd0
 
Yes they should be allowed in and no they are not endangering other kids... that is just silly.


I have always stated that vaccines for the majority are a good thing.

Well I explained that they are endangering other children. That's fact, not opinion.

And yes, vaccines are in general a good thing.
 
Irrelevant. Medical privacy is what matters in that case and in this situation as well. If pro-choicers will not accept that then that leaves open the door that pro-lifers can make an argument against abortion too...

It's not irrelevant, for the reasons I gave. You did not give any reasons to support your opinion.
 
And now, thanks to vaccinations, we are surviving longer and living better.

There is a lot more to it than vaccines...
 
Yes, instead of an infinitesimally low chance of dying from measles, infants now have an extraordinarily low chance of dying from measles. I'd be much more worried about winning the Lotto.

There's plenty reason enough to get kids vaccinated without fearmongering and spreading greatly exaggerated claims.

If the chances are 'infinitesmally low", why vaccinate at all?

Or can you not connect the dots to see that the vaccinations themselves are what lower the chances of infection (which I also spelled out for you in my original post)
 
Well I explained that they are endangering other children. That's fact, not opinion.

And yes, vaccines are in general a good thing.

My two unvaccinated daughters (one had a few vaccinations) are not endangering anybody. The entire notion that they are is literally dumb.

Yes, in general vaccines are a good thing.
 
My two unvaccinated daughters (one had a few vaccinations) are not endangering anybody. The entire notion that they are is literally dumb.

Yes, in general vaccines are a good thing.

We are not just discussing 2 people, however your statement is still incorrect. Of course one of your daughters can carry in a disease and infect someone else, and those not vaccinated for medical reasons are at much higher risk.

As are your own daughters if additional precautions or alternatives arent taken since they are not vaccinated. Their risk is higher, and other unvaccinated children increase their risk.

This is fact, not opinion.
 
It's not irrelevant, for the reasons I gave. You did not give any reasons to support your opinion.

The reason you gave was national security and epidemics harming society. Those are irrelevant factors when discussing medical privacy. Either we get medical privacy or we don't. Once there is a qualification then things like RvW are subject to be over turned as well. If the vast majority of people are getting vaccinated then there is no need to make it mandatory on any level.
 
BUT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, isn't it? Vaccinates are 100% for 100% of people 100% of the time anyone parent who refuses should be imprisoned. Isn't that how the slogan goes?

I havent seen a single person in this thread....or the media or the medical communities...say anything of the kind.

No real argument so falling back on hyperbole? Obvious is obvious.
 
We are not just discussing 2 people, however your statement is still incorrect. Of course one of your daughters can carry in a disease and infect someone else, and those not vaccinated for medical reasons are at much higher risk.

As are your own daughters if additional precautions or alternatives arent taken since they are not vaccinated. Their risk is higher, and other unvaccinated children increase their risk.

This is fact, not opinion.

Of course we are not talking about two people and my statement is no more incorrect than yours... vaccinations do not always work and a vaccinated person can carry the disease and "endanger people" just as easily as my kids can. In fact:

Children Worldwide Are Contracting The Very Diseases They Are Being Vaccinated Against

Children Worldwide Are Contracting The Very Diseases They Are Being Vaccinating Against

Everybody is at risk... that is a fact and not an opinion.
 
The reason you gave was national security and epidemics harming society. Those are irrelevant factors when discussing medical privacy. Either we get medical privacy or we don't. Once there is a qualification then things like RvW are subject to be over turned as well. If the vast majority of people are getting vaccinated then there is no need to make it mandatory on any level.

No they arent irrelevant when discussing medical privacy.

We use the public interest to override Constitutional rights all the time, including the first Amendment. Medical privacy is not inalienable nor inviolable.

That would be like saying...either we have the First Amendment, or we dont. And yet...there are laws that supersede that right...for the public good.
 
Of course we are not talking about two people and my statement is no more incorrect than yours... vaccinations do not always work and a vaccinated person can carry the disease and "endanger people" just as easily as my kids can. In fact:

Children Worldwide Are Contracting The Very Diseases They Are Being Vaccinated Against

Children Worldwide Are Contracting The Very Diseases They Are Being Vaccinating Against

Everybody is at risk... that is a fact and not an opinion.

And we are talking about best practices for keeping kids safe.

Everyone is at risk in a car. So we shouldnt bother wearing seat belts? Just not put kids in safety seats because hey, they could die in a wreck anyway.

Your argument fails. I havent made any black and white statements regarding vaccines and their usage....and there are no foolproof methods to prevent disease. What we are discussing here are reasonable precautions for public health.

And if you choose to place others at additional risk, then the school/govt has the right to decide your kids can stay home and be homeschooled.
 
No they arent irrelevant when discussing medical privacy.

We use the public interest to override Constitutional rights all the time, including the first Amendment. Medical privacy is not inalienable nor inviolable.

That would be like saying...either we have the First Amendment, or we dont. And yet...there are laws that supersede that right...for the public good.

A few kids not getting vaccinated is not harming national security or setting society up for an epidemic... sorry. No idea why you are arguing for mandatory vaccinations when there are no issues like you are stating.
 
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