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Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

Deuce said:
Correct. Everybody has to live in society and interact with other people, which is why vaccinations are even more important than airline safety regulations. I can choose to avoid air travel, but I can't choose to avoid people.
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...as much as I'd like to.
 
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Amadeus said:
Your argument isn't that vaccines trigger allergies, but that they actually produce neurological disabilities (or that there is doubt they they don't). The onus is on your to provide substance to this argument. What is the scientific theory under which your argument is based? Which element within the vaccines would rewire someone's brain?
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Observation. I am not a neurological scientist and I have no idea what they look for or if they even look to connect things... You are free to think whatever you like about this. Demanding evidence for everything, like the Earth beyond round, is certainly one way to go about life.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If we impose mandatory vaccination, and one child died a year from adverse reactions the trade-off is well worth it

Considering the yearly death tolls from diseases that have now been mostly eradicated, 1000 children could die a year of such reactions in the trade-off is worth it
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Not if it was your child. I would rather take my chances than know my kid was to be affected. Life is about survival of the fittest... if some chubby little immune deficient kids die that is their problem.

Failure to vaccinate should be considered child neglect and should carry substantial jail time and criminal penalties

And CPS should seize the child inoculate them
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That is stupid and unconstitutional to boot. You should be ashamed of yourself for such fascist thoughts.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not if it was your child. I would rather take my chances than know my kid was to be affected. Life is about survival of the fittest... if some chubby little immune deficient kids die that is their problem.



That is stupid and unconstitutional to boot. You should be ashamed of yourself for such fascist thoughts.
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Then you are truly an idiot with no understanding of math. I'm willing to bet the number of kids who die from vaccines doesn't even break 100 a year. If it even breaks double disgets. The only exception should be if a real doctor says that the kid would die from vaccination, and for those exceptions they would be fine because a 95 percent vaccinated society would protect them

If you call a healthy society fascism then so be it, go live in freedom in Somalia
There is no constitutional right to neglect your child it's not in there

In fact under the constitution units of government can compel inoculation

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=197&invol=11
 
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Deuce said:
Only Europeans who had been exposed to the disease would have been immune. Not enough to prevent a spread. Herd immunity only functions when a high percentage of the population is immune. Having only 20% of your population immune is like only putting security on 20% of the entrances to a building. Why bother?
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By your logic then no one should take the flu vaccine.
This Year's Flu Vaccine Is Only 23 Percent Effective
 
jamesrage said:
By your logic then no one should take the flu vaccine.
This Year's Flu Vaccine Is Only 23 Percent Effective
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There is one strain that causes measles and the vaccine used is over 99 percent effective.


Each year the CDC has to guess which strains of flu to try to vaccinate people against because there so many variants with so many strains they are constantly changing and becoming new strains each year.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Right, doctors are ignorant while some Joe Blow is completely knowledgable on the subject… You don't get how ridiculous that sounds?
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No. What is ridiculous is that I informed my doctor of the VAERS reporting system and how to proceed because she did not know. She said that no doctor that she knew had ever used it either. Like I have said to others... if you have not experienced stuff like I have then you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Sherman123 said:
Only in the minds of the perpetually paranoid. The rest of us will sleep a little easier.
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Didn't know it was paranoid to ask questions... Don't you like to know what is in your food and how it might affect you? I understand that it is easy to sit back, attempt a high road and insult people that you disagree with but unfortunately that just makes that person a moron.
 
Sherman123 said:
Right because it's so paranoid to want to maintain our herd immunity and protect at risk groups (children, the elderly, the immunosuppressed, etc) from harm. Sorry buddy better roll up that sleeve and get ready for the shot.
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The elderly? The shots effectiveness wears off after time... I would rather let the fittest survive than protecting a fat slob of a herd. Have you looked at the people lately?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not if it was your child. I would rather take my chances than know my kid was to be affected. Life is about survival of the fittest... if some chubby little immune deficient kids die that is their problem.



That is stupid and unconstitutional to boot. You should be ashamed of yourself for such fascist thoughts.
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Says the eugenicist.
 
Cardinal said:
Are you an anti-vaxxer trying to disassociate himself with one of the most prominent spokespeople of that movement being a playboy model?
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I don't have a spokesperson... just because Leonardo DiCaprio talks about green energy does not make him my spokesman either. I am sure we could get some idiot like Howard Stern with comments supporting mandatory vaccinations and I guess that would make your whole argument bunk, huh? :roll: Stupid thinking.
 
iguanaman said:
That is a problem of yours, normal people understand the concept especially when it deals with the spread of disease. The human race has nearly been wiped out at least once from contagious disease before science learned to control and eliminate their spread.
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What was the disease that almost wiped out the human race? I am unaware of that one...
 
Bodhisattva said:
I don't have a spokesperson... just because Leonardo DiCaprio talks about green energy does not make him my spokesman either. I am sure we could get some idiot like Howard Stern with comments supporting mandatory vaccinations and I guess that would make your whole argument bunk, huh? :roll: Stupid thinking.
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That you're unaware that a Playboy model is a prominent spokesperson for the antivaccine movement is ultimately irrelevant compared to the fact that the movement must rely on medically untrained celebrities to get their message out, while vaccines have the tawdry, boring and expertly qualified backing of the scientific and medical communities.
 
iguanaman said:
That is a problem of yours, normal people understand the concept especially when it deals with the spread of disease. The human race has nearly been wiped out at least once from contagious disease before science learned to control and eliminate their spread.
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Oh no! Are you saying that I might be... abnormal? Sniff sniff... :lol:
 
Cardinal said:
You joined this discussion on page three and it's page 21 now, so if you don't know what the antivaccination movement is then you've simply had no interest in learning. I won't waste my time on someone who's made the conscious decision to remain willfully ignorant on the topic.
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He said that he hasn't shown any interest in the movement... not that he doesn't know what it is. Read better...

Originally Posted by Henrin
Well seeing as I haven't shown any interest in the movement that seems kind of like a waste of time.
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joko104 said:
One person who has recommended some vaccinations and urged NOT getting others?
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And our doctor here said that same thing...
 
Cardinal said:
If only. Unfortunately the antivaccination movement is reintroducing previously eradicated diseases back into the population.
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Wrong. The reintroduction is purely natural. Nobody against vaccines has the diseases stored in a lab and is now reintroducing them into society... Conspiracy Theory much?
 
Cardinal said:
That you're unaware that a Playboy model is a prominent spokesperson for the antivaccine movement is ultimately irrelevant compared to the fact that the movement must rely on medically untrained celebrities to get their message out, while vaccines have the tawdry, boring and expertly qualified backing of the scientific and medical communities.
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Dude, stop talking abou the Playboy model already... it is making you sound the fool.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Only 40% of Doctors Take Flu Shot

Docs Talk the Talk, But Do They Take Flu Shots? - ABC News
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Professionals make a variety of excuses for not getting the influenza vaccine, chief among which are that they are too busy or that getting vaccinated is inconvenient. Others don't like needles or believe, mistakenly, that the vaccine will result in a bout of the flu.

To those professionals, Schaffner said, "Get over it."
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Awesome, totally scientific reasoning there.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Dude, stop talking abou the Playboy model already... it is making you sound the fool.
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Why, because the antivaccine movement needs a playboy model to get out your message while I only need the scientific community? Get over it -- idiots are behind the anti-vaccine movement, and you're lining up behind them.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Only 40% of Doctors Take Flu Shot

Docs Talk the Talk, But Do They Take Flu Shots? - ABC News
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There are a limited number of Flu Shots each year--it isn't possible for everyone to take them. Those who should take flu shots are those at most risk of having serious complications (the elderly) or infecting others that are at risk. That some doctors refrain from taking the shots so others in greater need of them get them doesn't make flu shots bad.
 
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