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I never claimed that autism was caused by vaccines... although SIDS and ADHD might be.
Based on...?
I never claimed that autism was caused by vaccines... although SIDS and ADHD might be.
Why are you focusing on vaccines as cause instead of, well, anything else at all?
I never claimed that autism was caused by vaccines... although SIDS and ADHD might be. Since nobody knows either way it is a reasonable question.
Based on...?
It's a dangerous question because it puts doubt into the safety of vaccines where none should exist.
If your position is more nuanced than being an antivaxxer then let's hear it. I don't feel like playing twenty questions.
I mostly agree, and in some cases I disagree. The lack of a measles vaccine sure, but not when a doctor tells me my child will go into anaphalactic shock due to a severe allergy to neomycin for example.My point is not vaccinating your children is a riskier gamble than vaccinating them. As shown with the stats you provided that is in fact the case. If you don't want to risk your children's life, vaccinate them. It's really just as simple as that.
Well if the vast majority of people get vaccinated like you say - only the ones who don't get vaccinated have to worry. Isn't it up to them if they want to take that risk or not... or is should it be forced upon them for the "common good"?It's a choice sure, but it is a choice that has now showing to be wildly fatal and harmful to society at large. Look at the recent outbreak in the OP. Look at all the outbreaks in the past few years of diseases that we have vaccines for. Honestly you could turn this argument around on anything related to child care.
Oh man, I guess I really should apologize to John Doe. After all I'm sure he's feelings are going to get hurt when John finds out he isn't a real person.
Read some of the thread and my comments before making such an ignorant statement...
Well if the vast majority of people get vaccinated like you say - only the ones who don't get vaccinated have to worry. Isn't it up to them if they want to take that risk or not... or is should it be forced upon them for the "common good"?
I am not. I am countering those that defiantly and ignorantly refuse to accept the possibility that it might, just might, be vaccines...
It could be diet. It could be solar flares. It could be vaccines. The fact that they do not know is a real issue.
Why are you ignoring this fact and focusing on anything else at all and not on vaccines?
I swear these greater good arguments remind me of people in a cult. It's a like a chant or something..
The greater good...the greater good....the greater good...
Based on your response to Cardinal, it looks like you have your opinion and an empty sack to support your position.
Holy ****, you have nothing at all. Why do you find it so acceptable to embarrass yourself like this?
What part, specifically, about under reporting (for starters) is opinionated and empty?
Then what about the non-understanding of what causes SIDS is opinionated? ADHD?
One day that answer might clearly show that vaccines were as safe as some claim and I will be fine with that.
If you want to fall back on pathetic generalizations I certainly can't stop you no matter how foolish it might be.
Have you had any experience with an adverse effect, doctors during one or their reactions to vaccines or to under/non reporting? I have.
I do understand that my balanced points of view often confuse people, hell, probably scares the **** out of many... including you.
Not sure why but I had you listed as a pretty smart guy... need to re-evaluate my list.
What is weird is that it is the Liberals blindly defending vaccines here... In the area where we had our kids it was very liberal and those were the ones staunchly against vaccines... :lol:
You scare me, Bodhisattva, but less because of your "balanced points of view" and more for the reason : anti-vaxxers.
Nice. Haven't heard that one before.When you're done acting like a skid mark we could argue the virtues of vaccination. Until then you can continue your meek attempts at trolling.
Nice. Haven't heard that one before.
If my unscientific observations here, on Facebook, and in so-called real life are any indication, we're not overrun by them, they're just vocal.To our non-American members: does your country seem to be entirely overrun by anti-science people too, or is that just us?
Vaccinations are not perfect, they do not always protect you from the disease. This year's flu vaccines were a perfect example, they didn't work on most of the flu strains that we ended up with this year. Likewise, there are people who are medically unable to have vaccinations due to a compromised immune system. Those people are directly harmed by the asshats who won't vaccinate their kids. But sure, you can go ahead and assume that I just mindlessly hate people if that turns you on. :roll: