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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes. When did it occur?
    I don't know, maybe in the timeframe I put in the post you quoted?

    It was prevalent for a long time, but in that period it wiped out a large portion of Europe.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    I'ts not true...it's your speculation. And we did have the draft and it was perfectly legal. It has not been declared 'illegal' or unConstitutional.
    Neither was the 1896 Plessy v Ferguson SCOTUS Decision which WAS illegal and unconstitutional and was overturned 60 years later with the Brown V Board Decision of 1954.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It was an answer to a claim that the govt could send you off to war at will.
    I know what happened in the thread. It just seems weird to bring that up every five years. Anyway, I have decided this is far too personal, so I will just allow myself to stay curious.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't know, maybe in the timeframe I put in the post you quoted?

    It was prevalent for a long time, but in that period it wiped out a large portion of Europe.
    Yes, in the 14th century it did. In the modern age it would not. Why? Because we now know how to treat it. IS there a vaccine for bubonic plague?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I know what happened in the thread. It just seems weird to bring that up every five years. Anyway, I have decided this is far too personal, so I will just allow myself to stay curious.
    In that type of investigation you disclose anything out of the ordinary.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why are these numbers important? The data is quite clear, more vaccinations = fewer infections, complications, and deaths.
    I think you're exaggerating things. Nobody is saying 100% of the population must be vaccinated. In fact, we often point out that many people can't be vaccinated.

    Higher is better. Period.
    The numbers are important because of exactly what you just said "Nobody is saying 100% of the population must be vaccinated". So to maintain herd immunity, we need something between 0 and 100, what is it? Because people want to sit around and freak out about some folk who don't inoculate their kids, but has that aggregated to a level where it makes a true difference? There are places like Colorado that have vaccination levels for the Measles around 80%, has that reduction caused a statistically significant increase in cases? In deaths? In long term disabilities?

    People should vaccinate their kids, true. But we're setting ourselves up on a witchhunt against those who choose not to. But is the witch hunt justified? That's why the numbers are important.

    I fear that on both sides of this issue, people have merely freaked out and are not thinking logically. But how can we condemn people less there is legitimate reason?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes. When did it occur?

    edit: didn't read your whole reply.

    So, was there a treatment for it in the 14th century? Is there a treatment for it now?

    Is there a vaccine for it?
    There is a treatment now, yes. (antibiotics) There is no vaccine. (because the plague is not a virus)
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The numbers are important because of exactly what you just said "Nobody is saying 100% of the population must be vaccinated". So to maintain herd immunity, we need something between 0 and 100, what is it? Because people want to sit around and freak out about some folk who don't inoculate their kids, but has that aggregated to a level where it makes a true difference? There are places like Colorado that have vaccination levels for the Measles around 80%, has that reduction caused a statistically significant increase in cases? In deaths? In long term disabilities?

    People should vaccinate their kids, true. But we're setting ourselves up on a witchhunt against those who choose not to. But is the witch hunt justified? That's why the numbers are important.

    I fear that on both sides of this issue, people have merely freaked out and are not thinking logically. But how can we condemn people less there is legitimate reason?
    A "witch hunt" against people who put their children, and the children of others, at greater risk based on incorrect beliefs, yes. If by "witch hunt" you mean "saying mean things about them on a message board."

    Personally, I'd say calling this a "witch hunt" is freaking out.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In that type of investigation you disclose anything out of the ordinary.
    I wonder how often it really happens. I know that many of my buddies didn't sign up for the draft either, so I have to wonder how many young men really do.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There is a treatment now, yes. (antibiotics) There is no vaccine. (because the plague is not a virus)
    Well, then the Bubonic Plague (of earlier centuries) is hardly an example of what could happen if we don't get vaccinated against the Measles, now, is it?
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