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    ...and that is unconstitutional. It violates the 5th Amendment...



    True and although I find those unconstitutional an adult should be allowed to choose for themselves... not for anybody under 18 though as they are not adults.
    Well re: suicide they'll take your liberty from you anyway, as a psych case, at least for awhile and you can lose your kids too. So there are still major infringements on your right to do so. I disagree with it being illegal myself.

    And while I dont like helmet laws and seat belt, the reasoning is that it falls on the taxpayers when people cant pay the medical bills and permanent hospitalization for vegetables, for example. The alternative is to let those people die (including letting them starve to death lying on a gurney when permanently physically or mentally disabled.)

    I also dont believe in the draft but if needed I can also see how it serves the security of the entire country if enough people dont enlist. And in that case, then I think women should be drafted too.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    As I've said, doctors can assess kid's likelihood of allergic reactions and other sensitivities. Medical dispensation (opt-outs) had been working quite well overall.

    It's all about balancing risks. Most parents are smart enough to realize that their kids are better off being vaccinated, the risk/reward is better.

    I dont take vaccine safety for granted, I have to think about it, and which ones, every year with my animals which seem to have even higher reactions and issues. I try to make educated decisions with the advice of my vets.
    Pretesting should be mandatory... most parents are only told about how safe it is and to not worry... MOST. By then it is too late... until pre-testing is law there is no way I sign off on forcing vaccinations and even then I most likely wouldn't.

    I calmed down but are you going to tell that to the parents of kids affected by vaccines?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not Bman... your argument might apply with him but it does not with me.
    You raised an objection to my post, which was a response to him. But I'm glad you agree that extrapolation to such extremes is unwarranted. That was exactly the point I was trying to demonstrate.

    Everyone agrees that the government can and should take reasonable measures to ensure that person A's actions don't cause undue harm to person B.

    You are just drawing that reasonable measure line a bit differently than we are, so let's not act like this is some dramatic and fundamental philosophical difference.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I calmed down but are you going to tell that to the parents of kids affected by vaccines?
    "**** happens."

    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
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    There are several things you dont seem to understand about it but one thing herd immunity helps with are those that cannot be vaccinated due to medical reasons. Herd immunity provides them with *some* protection but bringing them into less contact with the disease.

    Kids still die. If you dont want to pay attention until their bodies pile up, that's up to you.

    It's been happening here in WA St for 3 yrs with whooping cough. Lack of vaccination has led to several dead babies a year. Not enough to rate in your system apparently.
    Yup, you need statistical significance. That's how measurements work, that's how you can tell if there are real issues. While people should be vaccinated, we're not all going to die because some haven't. The hysterics around this topic on both sides are unnecessary.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I can't remember... are you a parent?
    No. But I have lots of nieces and nephews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup, you need statistical significance. That's how measurements work, that's how you can tell if there are real issues. While people should be vaccinated, we're not all going to die because some haven't. The hysterics around this topic on both sides are unnecessary.
    Yup, dont know **** about the significance of herd immunity.

    And there's no hysterics. Just risk vs reward and a total disregard in some cases because 500 dead kids isnt 'enough.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    You want to have the benefits of society -i.e. public school - you follow the rules - vaccinate your kids.
    Telling people to follow your will is hardly convincing. If you can't support why people should respect your authority than there is no reason people should. Good day.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yup, dont know **** about the significance of herd immunity.
    Is that so? Do you have the numbers to show the significance of herd immunity? Colorado has had 80% vaccination rate on mumps for years, that's...what? 15% below what people claim is necessary for herd immunity? For several years? There should be some measurable results. Where are said results?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Pretesting should be mandatory... most parents are only told about how safe it is and to not worry... MOST. By then it is too late... until pre-testing is law there is no way I sign off on forcing vaccinations and even then I most likely wouldn't.

    I calmed down but are you going to tell that to the parents of kids affected by vaccines?
    What do you tell parents of any kids that get sick or die? Everyone knows even the simplest procedures can have unforseen consequences. As you said, life isnt fair.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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