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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I grew up in the 50s also.

    It was the end of world for the approximately 500 who died annually in the US before the measles vaccine in 1963.



    CDC - Pinkbook: Measles Chapter - Epidemiology of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases
    I dont understand how Taylor kept coming up with only 65 deaths per yr in America.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Yea. God forbid they expect an infantile level of logic from other humans. Are you aware of how virus can be transmitted? That infant doesn't have to be "out in public."

    A dirty hippy doesn't vaccinate their infant. Infant gets measles. Dirty hippy doesn't bathe, touches another person, who touches another person, who touches someone who goes home and gives their kids the measles.

    Seriously. Give me one GOOD reason to not vaccinate. I've asked multiple times. I've heard nothing. Why wouldn't you vaccinate your kid?
    Mumps is best known for the swelling of the cheeks and jaw that it causes, which is a result of swelling of the salivary glands. People who show symptoms usually recover after a week or two, but mumps can occasionally cause serious complications.

    The most common complication is inflammation of the testicles (orchitis) in males who have reached puberty; rarely does this lead to fertility problems.

    Other rare complications include:
    Inflammation of the brain and/or tissue covering the brain and spinal cord (encephalitis/meningitis)
    •Inflammation of the ovaries (oophoritis) and/or breasts (mastitis) in females who have reached puberty
    Deafness


    Mumps | Complications | CDC

    MMR vaccine side-effects
    (Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)

    What are the risks from MMR vaccine?

    A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
    Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella. Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.

    Mild Problems
    • Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
    • Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
    • Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)

    If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.

    Moderate Problems
    • Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
    • Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
    • Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)

    Severe Problems (Very Rare)
    • Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
    • Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
    Deafness
    ◦ Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness

    Permanent brain damage


    Vaccines: Vac-Gen/Side Effects

    Damn... looks like the RARE reactions to the vaccine are far worse than the RARE reactions to Mumps itself... why take the ****ing shot then?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yes, children with compromised immune systems should not be in general public school.
    Why not if they can be adequately protected with vaccination programs? Those that CAN be vaccinated should be so that those that CANNOT be vaccinated have less exposure to the disease.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I was 17 then, and nobody called for me to be vaccinated for it. By the time I was in high school, no one ever worried about measles. We had all had it. Nobody ever was out sick with it because it was understood that we now had the immunity to it.
    That has zero to do with the situation today.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why are you unwilling to accept any responsibility for your hypothetical decision not to vaccinate yourself or your child?
    Why doesn't the parent deserve responsibility for bringing their unvaccinated child into contact with people knowing that some choose to not vaccinate in today's day and age?

    It is nature people... it is a big scary world with lots of bad **** going on in it. If I send my kid to school with peanuts and they share with your kid that is allergic who's fault is it?

    **** happens...
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Why doesn't the parent deserve responsibility for bringing their unvaccinated child into contact with people knowing that some choose to not vaccinate in today's day and age?

    It is nature people... it is a big scary world with lots of bad **** going on in it. If I send my kid to school with peanuts and they share with your kid that is allergic who's fault is it?

    **** happens...
    "**** happens."

    Compelling argument in favor of starting epidemics.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Why not if they can be adequately protected with vaccination programs? Those that CAN be vaccinated should be so that those that CANNOT be vaccinated have less exposure to the disease.
    Nobody has a right to force anything on people... especially the government. If your child cannot get vaccinated then that is like a kid born that has to walk gingerly with crutches their entire life. Are other children not allowed to run in that kids vicinity? What if they do and knock the kid down and he has that Osteogenesis imperfect (brittle bones) or something else terrible? Life is not fair.
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Eugenics is an extreme, but giving the govt authority to proscribe medical treatment ends where?
    Same place it does when it restricts things like the First Amendment. When it determines that the dangers outweigh public safety. Looks at risk/reward and makes a decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That has zero to do with the situation today.
    But why is there a situation, today? If the disease was all but eradicated before 1963, what has prompted the disease to rear its ugly head today where medicine is 10 times better than it ever could have been in 1963? Is it a real epidemic, or a made up one?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That not getting vaccinated threatens society is an assumption. One may not get vaccinated and never contract or spread any disease. The idea that the govt is allowed to proscribe any medical treatment, or force anyone to receive any medication or chemical in their body is a dangerous idea.
    That's not an assumption. During an epidemic the economic repercussions alone could threaten infrastructure and security in seriously dangerous ways.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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