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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The mortality rate for measles is very small, especially for those who are otherwise healthy and living in a developed nation such as ours.

    Measles — United States, January 1–May 23, 2014

    In fact, even in a place like the Philippines, the number of deaths is small compared to the number of suspected/confirmed cases, 32,000 cases with only 41 deaths. That is less than a 1% mortality rate. In fact, its about 0.13% mortality.

    No deaths from at least 288 cases in the US in the first part of 2014.
    Why only the focus on the death rates?

    This isn't chicken pox. It's not just being itchy for a week.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ...and I added another valid one. Want to keep going?
    You want to have the benefits of society -i.e. public school - you follow the rules - vaccinate your kids.

    Nothing in the constitution about public schools, as far as I know. I happen to think they are very important and part of what makes our country great; but they didn't really become big until the 1800s.

    Mississippi has a 99+% vaccination rate for kids in kindergarten because they only allow medical exemptions, and few of those. Parents who don't like it can home school or go to private schools.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    The nice thing about a secure boarder is you can limit immigration to only people who have been vaccinated.

    Just sayin'.

    The idea that a bunch of unvaccinated progressive Californians could have contracted measles from an illegal alien at Disneyland is... intriguing.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Just an FYI

    If you did not health insurance you should have gone to the county health dept clinic.
    Vaccinations usually cost between $10 and $20 depending on the county you live in.

    In some states even if you have health insurance you can still get the reduced fee vaccinations at the county health dept.

    Well worth the few extra miles.
    That's more what I remember when we had to get our stepdaughter another vaccination when she went to school in California.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The nice thing about a secure boarder is you can limit immigration to only people who have been vaccinated.

    Just sayin'.

    The idea that a bunch of unvaccinated progressive Californians could have contracted measles from an illegal alien at Disneyland is... intriguing.
    It could also have been contracted from a US citizen who went abroad and contracted measles there.

    Or from a tourist coming to visit our country.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why only the focus on the death rates?

    This isn't chicken pox. It's not just being itchy for a week.
    FYI, even the chicken pox vaccine is now mandatory to school is many states.

    IMO, this mandatory crap has gone too far.

    I'm sure in a few years, chicken pox will be called a deadly disease.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The nice thing about a secure boarder is you can limit immigration to only people who have been vaccinated.

    Just sayin'.

    The idea that a bunch of unvaccinated progressive Californians could have contracted measles from an illegal alien at Disneyland is... intriguing.
    Just sayin' Vectors or Victims? Docs Slam Rumors That Migrants Carry Disease - NBC News

    World Bank statistics indicate that some of the countries that the kids are traveling from actually have higher vaccination rates than the United States. The U.S. has a 92 percent vaccination rate for measles. Mexico vaccinates 99 percent of its children; Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras all have a 93 percent vaccination rate.
    And there are a lot of California communities with far lower vaccination rates than the national average and it's in these communities where the outbreaks are happening....

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    FYI, even the chicken pox vaccine is now mandatory to school is many states.

    IMO, this mandatory crap has gone too far.

    I'm sure in a few years, chicken pox will be called a deadly disease.
    While chicken pox very seldom has complications that would lead to death, the viris lies domate and can reappear in later years as very painful/itchy disease that sometimes settles in the eye and can cause vision loss and others sometimes have severe pain lasting for years as a side effect of shingles.


    Shingles is caused by the varicella zoster virus, the same virus that causes chicken pox. Anyone who battled the childhood virus is at risk for shingles since the virus lays dormant in nerve cells for years. ...

    It presents with the same red, hot, sore blisters as chicken pox, not body wide but in the territory of the nerve where the virus is reactivating, often in a band on the chest or abdomen."...

    About 10 to 25 percent of people who get shingles will have it in the face and eye, said Dr. Erik Chotiner, ophthalmologist with Memorial Eye Institute in Lower Paxton Township....



    While shingles on the skin can include swelling of the eyelid and conjunctivitis, shingles on the eye itself, called herpes zoster ophthalmicus, can cause something much worse – scarring that can lead to vision loss,

    "Skin lesions can be painful, but when you are talking about potential loss of vision, shingles become scarier," Chotiner said.
    Not just a painful rash: Shingles can damage the eyes | PennLive.com
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why only the focus on the death rates?

    This isn't chicken pox. It's not just being itchy for a week.
    Because in the quote I applied, it was an answer to something based on whether a person died. It was implied that measles was relatively deadly.

    But even if we look at complications, they are almost always temporary (even if they take a while to overcome). There are a few cases where measles can cause some permanent damage to a person, which is as sad as death, but even this is pretty uncommon, even rare in the US and other developed countries with strong healthcare systems. So long as the person actually sees a doctor and gets certain antibiotics and vitamins to help reduce their likelihood of getting things like encephalitis or problems with their eyes.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    While chicken pox very seldom has complications that would lead to death, the viris lies domate and can reappear in later years as very painful/itchy disease that sometimes settles in the eye and can cause vision loss and others sometimes have severe pain lasting for years as a side effect of shingles.

    Not just a painful rash: Shingles can damage the eyes | PennLive.com
    Shingles does not affect children (normally, if ever). It is found in those who have had chicken pox and the virus attacks once more after the immune system degrades with age. It is also not contagious. Shingles doesn't really occur in outbreaks.
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