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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Personal experience is anecdotal not fact.
    Fact is any side effects from vaccines are beyond rare when compared to the number of people who long term negative effects/death from measles.
    Fact to me.

    No problems with anyone I have ever known or heard of.

    Kids have all updated shots with no issues.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Statistics Reports

    The vaccine courts disagree with you.
    No it doesn't


    Measles 143 19 162 55 107
    Bolded is the number actually accepted as being from the vaccine.

    During this century, there has been a dramatic decrease in measles epidemics. Prior to the development of the measles vaccine, 5.7 million people died each year from measles. (Some historians have suggested that measles might have contributed to the decline of the Roman Empire.)

    In 1920, the United States had 469,924 measles cases and 7,575 deaths due to measles. From 1958 to 1962, the United States had an average of 503,282 cases and 432 deaths each year. (Measles reporting began in 1912; prior to this time, no statistics are available.) In large cities, epidemics often occurred every two to five years.
    https://science.education.nih.gov/su...database.htm#6

    So in according to your stats since the vaccination was created 55 people were affected with side effects to the point of injury and or death (it doesn't say which) out of a claimed total of 162. Vaccine came on the market in 1963. lets see that that's 51 years up till 2014. Now even taking the last few years before the vaccine became available there were 432 deaths a year, not counting long term problems just deaths.
    So yeah absolutely measles is magnitudes worse than any possible side effects from the vaccine
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    There is a lot more to it than vaccines...
    And there is a lot more to growing healthy crops than giving them water--that doesn't mean water is ineffective. Reality is, if not for vaccines, we would be much worse off today than we currently are.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Fact to me.

    No problems with anyone I have ever known or heard of.

    Kids have all updated shots with no issues.

    I make medical decisions based upon common sense and intelligent research.

    Fools who listen to those wrapped in tin foil are weak morons who are unable to think for themselves.
    See my previous post.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Because vaccines are injected, they bypass the normal system of immune response. This is why many vaccines wear off far earlier than simply getting the virus.

    Immunity: Natural and Acquired | Vaccines.gov
    Problem is, to get natural immunity you have to get infected. That kinda defeats the purpose of not getting the disease in the first place.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Personal experience is anecdotal not fact.
    Fact is any side effects from vaccines are beyond rare when compared to the number of people who long term negative effects/death from measles.
    Can you prove the accuracy of side effect reporting?

    What I mean is, is there anything to suggest that doctors will attempt to dissociate the side effects witnessed as being caused by the vaccine?

    Like if a parents child has a seizure reaction after they child is brought home, so they return to the hospital and tell the doctors what happened after the vaccine. Then the doctors do a cat scan to find blood on the brain, and rather than chalking it up to the vaccine they will accuse the parents of shaking the child and having the child taken by child and family services (or whatever the name is in your locality)?

    It's not unheard of, a similar process was performed while aspartame was in the FDA approval process for consumption. Just don't count all the monkeys that died, and suddenly after the 4th or 5th failure, it qualifies as "safe".

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Can you prove the accuracy of side effect reporting?

    What I mean is, is there anything to suggest that doctors will attempt to dissociate the side effects witnessed as being caused by the vaccine?

    Like if a parents child has a seizure reaction after they child is brought home, so they return to the hospital and tell the doctors what happened after the vaccine. Then the doctors do a cat scan to find blood on the brain, and rather than chalking it up to the vaccine they will accuse the parents of shaking the child and having the child taken by child and family services (or whatever the name is in your locality)?

    It's not unheard of, a similar process was performed while aspartame was in the FDA approval process for consumption. Just don't count all the monkeys that died, and suddenly after the 4th or 5th failure, it qualifies as "safe".
    Same as deaths caused by other illnesses such as the flu brought on by measles may not be attributed to the measles.
    The numbers are so staggering that there is no doubt vaccines are immensely safe in comparison to the diseases they seek to prevent.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I grew up in the 50's and measles vaccines were unheard of. It was a typical childhood disease that children got. We weathered it and moved on. Now, someone is carrying a torch for a disease that is just what it is, a typical childhood disease. Get the disease, and you're immune for life. It is not the end of the world.
    You keep saying the same thing over and over, ignoring the stats that show otherwise. Repeating something doesn't make it true.

    The vaccine became available in 1963, fyi. And those of us who got the vaccine in the 60s are advised to get an MMR.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Same as deaths caused by other illnesses such as the flu brought on by measles may not be attributed to the measles.
    The numbers are so staggering that there is no doubt vaccines are immensely safe in comparison to the diseases they seek to prevent.
    I am aware of the numbers... I was questioning the veracity of those numbers.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I am aware of the numbers... I was questioning the veracity of those numbers.
    Of course you are just asking questions.....
    Numbers are so skewed in favor of vaccinations that even if a few are misreported (both sides of the equation can have that BTW) that it doesn't matter. fact remains vaccinations are safer to an extreme degree than getting measles.
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