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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This question is asked a hundred times in every single vaccine thread.

    Some children are too young to be vaccinated. These same children are particularly vulnerable to infectious disease.

    Some people are immunocompromised so cannot be vaccinated, and are similarly vulnerable.

    Some people are allergic to materials in the vaccine (usually the preservatives). These people cannot be vaccinated.

    Sometimes vaccines wear off or the immunity doesn't take hold.

    All of these people are put at greater risk by someone choosing not to be vaccinated.

    Additionally, a critical mass of immunizations creates a herd immunity. The virus cannot find enough hosts to spread to, so becomes self-contained. More available hosts also leaves more ability to mutate as well, potentially reducing the effectiveness of the vaccine.

    Never, on any occasion, I have I known any person - minor or adult - who was first tested for having a compromised immune system or any allergy to what is in any vaccination. Have you? Yet you admit there is dangers to such people - or do you?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    For many, and perhaps even the majority, they do work. That does not mean that there are not valid objections to getting vaccinated though...
    Fair enough, there are people who suffer from allergic reactions from some of the ingredients and in rarer cases suffer from diseases that make them incapable of taking vaccines. (The name for the disorder is escaping me at the moment.) Outside of those rare exceptions you should get vaccinated.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is the thing... they do not know what is causing the rise in any of those except to say that it is 100% NOT VACCINES. No way. Couldn't happen. Never.

    When your child almost dies days after a vaccine and the adverse reactions mirror the CDC adverse reaction sheet and you ask the doctor if the vaccine might be a cause and that doctor actually laughs at you even though they just concluded that they have no idea what the actual cause was? Well, excuse independent and intelligent rational people from not wondering what the **** is going on.
    It's a rising diagnosis of autism and those other things you mention. With zero evidence to tie them to vaccines it makes as much sense to blame them on the latest Transformers sequel, which is arguably a lot more credible than the vaccine theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    For many, and perhaps even the majority, they do work. That does not mean that there are not valid objections to getting vaccinated though...
    Not all vaccinations are the same and certainly not all are for deadly diseases. All vaccinations are not even recommended for everyone and many are urged only for a very narrow range of people at notable risk.

    But that all is a contradiction, isn't it? If ALL vaccinates are ALWAYS safe for EVERYONE - then EVERYONE should get ALL vaccinations. Yet that is specifically medically advised against. Why?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    The anti-vaccination movement is so stupid it almost makes my blood boil. Even if vaccinations and autism were related in any way, shape, or form I rather live with my child being a potato then for him to catch Measles and die.
    luckily, since autism and vaccines aren't related (as I'm sure you know) that isn't a choice any parent has to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    luckily, since autism and vaccines aren't related (as I'm sure you know) that isn't a choice any parent has to make.
    Yeah, but you know, like....what if, man?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Vaccinations do not work for 100% of the people and they are not 100% effective - there are always exceptions.
    Condoms are not 100% effective either, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use one to prevent STD's or conceive children. Nor should you use 2% when condoms don't work as promised as a reason why you should not wrap up before the dirty tango.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And even if someone gets a vaccination for themselves or their kids, they should investigate what it is, what it's made of, what the risks are and question the doctor or other health professionals about their specific children or family members before having it.
    Sure that makes sense, except vaccines work for the vast majority of humanity. If you have any known allergies you should always consult your doctor about that. Other than that, the risks are extremely limited.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They should also consult the schools system and even legal representation if they feel strongly about the issue before either accepting or rejecting a vaccination.
    Feel strongly about what exactly? "My name is John Doe and I want my dumb disease ridden, non-vaccinated kid to mingle and share closed confined spaces with children who are physically incapable of getting vaccines so they can contract polio."


    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    As already stated, there are legitimate cases where a child getting a vaccination could cause more damage than not getting it.
    Legitimate? Sure. Likely? A whole different story.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Not all vaccinations are the same and certainly not all are for deadly diseases. All vaccinations are not even recommended for everyone and many are urged only for a very narrow range of people at notable risk.

    But that all is a contradiction, isn't it? If ALL vaccinates are ALWAYS safe for EVERYONE - then EVERYONE should get ALL vaccinations. Yet that is specifically medically advised against. Why?
    ...and they are given in super shots with 3-6 vaccines sometimes and to infants at such a susceptible age...
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    There have been instances of vaccinations causing deaths and judgments granted accordingly. These are difficult cases to win because the drug companies put up the you-can't-prove-cigarettes caused the lung cancer defense. Regardless, there have been successful cases won in the USA and elsewhere.

    It also has been admitted that drug companies that make vaccinations have massively lied in the past, such as about levels of mercury, and there have been huge screw ups in both production and administration of vaccinations, for which it has been acknowledged that vaccinations HAD caused people - thousands - to get a disease, such as meningitis, that specifically came from the vaccinations. And it has been acknowledged there has been infants who have died from vaccinations.

    There issues about flu vaccinations are still another area of debate. New flu vaccinations are put on the market every year with little to no time to test them, any they tend to be a smorgasbord of many vaccinations all in one made by many different companies in and out of the USA.

    Vaccinations are big, big money. Billions and billions and billions of dollars. But, I suppose it is true that no corporate people would ever actually tell a lie just for massive piles of money, would they?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Sure that makes sense, except vaccines work for the vast majority of humanity. If you have any known allergies you should always consult your doctor about that. Other than that, the risks are extremely limited.
    Parents rarely know if their infant children have allergies...

    Feel strongly about what exactly? "My name is John Doe and I want my dumb disease ridden, non-vaccinated kid to mingle and share closed confined spaces with children who are physically incapable of getting vaccines so they can contract polio."
    What a idiotic view... dumb disease ridden. Need to cross you off the, "those to take seriously" list.
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