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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    Have any links that support that?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes. Exactly.
    What?

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    I never said that I wanted no government. Sorry. The rest is some bizarre Straw Man.
    Exactly I never said that I wanted no government or exactly the rest is some bizarre Straw Man or exactly to both, meaning I am 100% correct on all accounts?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

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    Being vaccinated is not a law and you are the second person to claim I said I wanted no government. I never ever once uttered anything close to that in my life.

    I can't waste time debating people who are literally delusional.

    Are you drunk? I said that they should if they will deny kids to a school. You said that they do in the USA. I just asked... "ummm what?" as a result.
    I never said you didnt want any govt. I said your silliness comparing a slippery slope from vaccination to eugenics was no different than your claims of unfairness re: no govt from others.

    And it was miscommunication...you said to Gina that if they forbade unvaccinated kids from schools then the schools had to send teachers to the homes. I was saying that was not the case here in the US. That SCOTUS ruled years ago that they could and that schools do so here....dont allow unvaccinated kids. Depends on the state and district. And that there are currently challenges to that but so far they still could and there was no obligation to send any teachers to individual homes.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What?
    You never said you wanted no government.

    And nobody in this thread ever said they wanted eugenics or to ban the unvaccinated from all public spaces. Those were a result of folks like yourself extrapolating arguments to extremes. Just like "no government" was extrapolating your arguments to extremes.

    Neither was valid. Agree?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You can't vaccinate infants.
    Actually, you can. An infant in my family was born 3 months premature and before he left the hospital, he was given a raft of vaccinations, including one for the flu and RSV. It was also strongly suggested his parents and all immediate family members who would be around him with any regularity get their flu shots as well and to severely limit his exposure to public spaces and strangers for a year. Further he received an RSV shot every 28 days for his first year.

    I don't believe the MMR was part of that infant's immunizations when he left the hospital, based on the CDC recommendation to give the first MMR vaccination at 12 months. That left him and leaves any infant under a year old at risk of contracting measles, which is highly contagious.


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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I never said you didnt want any govt. I said your silliness comparing a slippery slope from vaccination to eugenics was no different than your claims of unfairness re: no govt from others.

    And it was miscommunication...you said to Gina that if they forbade unvaccinated kids from schools then the schools had to send teachers to the homes. I was saying that was not the case here in the US. That SCOTUS ruled years ago that they could and that schools do so here....dont allow unvaccinated kids. Depends on the state and district. And that there are currently challenges to that but so far they still could and there was no obligation to send any teachers to individual homes.
    You know what would be more effective than the school district approach? Requiring parents to submit their child vaccination records in order to claim them as a dependent for taxes......
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I never said you didnt want any govt. I said your silliness comparing a slippery slope from vaccination to eugenics was no different than your claims of unfairness re: no govt from others.

    And it was miscommunication...you said to Gina that if they forbade unvaccinated kids from schools then the schools had to send teachers to the homes. I was saying that was not the case here in the US. That SCOTUS ruled years ago that they could and that schools do so here....dont allow unvaccinated kids. Depends on the state and district. And that there are currently challenges to that but so far they still could and there was no obligation to send any teachers to individual homes.
    It was a miscommunication. All good. Sorry...

    I will go back and say again that if the state denies entrance into a school for an unvaccinated kid then the state needs to supply that kid with a teacher...
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You never said you wanted no government.

    And nobody in this thread ever said they wanted eugenics or to ban the unvaccinated from all public spaces. Those were a result of folks like yourself extrapolating arguments to extremes. Just like "no government" was extrapolating your arguments to extremes.

    Neither was valid. Agree?
    I am not sure... I agree that I never said I wanted no government but I don't agree that my extrapolation from banning kids from schools (which Gina did state) to banning them from the DMV or post office is invalid nor is the further push to sterilize certain people because the argument was "for the greater good of society". The greater good for society is this bland blasé generality that could mean anything and I was illustrating that.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Have any links that support that?
    And even though you get the flu shot every year, and will continue to get it every year

    Which is not a problem, because the flu shot doesn't hurt. But unlike the vaccines for say smallpox, or diphtheria, or polio, which are like 90–95% effective The flu shot is a gamble based off of what strains the medical community believes will be occurring. So if you get your flu shot, and you get a strain of flu that your flu shot doesn't cover and it's a bad one, you can get pneumonia, and become disabled or even killed by pneumonia

    But the pneumococcal vaccine is just as effective as say the polio vaccine. So even though you get your flu shot every year, check up and see if you have the pneumococcal and if you don't go get that one. So that at least if you get a bad flu, you are likely to not get pneumonia which is the number one cause of flu deaths
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It was a miscommunication. All good. Sorry...

    I will go back and say again that if the state denies entrance into a school for an unvaccinated kid then the state needs to supply that kid with a teacher...
    Why? A teacher is paid $40,000 a year plus benefits, the vaccine cost 10 bucks. It makes more sense for the state to pay for one and not the other
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