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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Huh?

    This really has no relevance to the original point that was made, which was that there's no reason to be fearful that your infant grandchild might die, or that they are at any real greater risk of dying, due to a tiny outbreak of measles. Its nonsense, as are all these news stories that aim to scare people about this "deadly disease" by trying to pass off third world statistics as being somehow relevant to care here in the US.

    Fifty years ago, before there was a vaccine, we had millions of people infected with measles, and something like 65 infant deaths per year. Now we should worry, because 200 people got measles at Disneyland?

    Give me a break.
    Worry? No. Vaccinate.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And to take your argument to it's logical extent, we should disband the United States as an entity. Smaller government is better, right?
    Smaller government is MUCH better... the USA can exist with one quite easily.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Smaller government is MUCH better... the USA can exist with one quite easily.
    Right. And the smallest government is no government at all.

    If you shrink government, is this not the logical conclusion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Right. And the smallest government is no government at all.

    If you shrink government, is this not the logical conclusion?
    When did I state that I wanted no government? Some laws are good. The Social Contract is a good thing... within limits.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yikes! That was extreme. Mandatory vaccinations is not comparable to eugenics.
    Indeed, it is truly laughable that anybody would make that kind of an argument. Scary that anybody could be so blindly doctrinaire as to think that freedom of choice is applicable to vaccinations. From a truly libertarian perspective, you have the same "freedom of choice" to vaccinate as you have "freedom of choice" to set of explosives or otherwise cause harm to others. Choosing not to vaccinate is a form of assault.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    When did I state that I wanted no government? Some laws are good. The Social Contract is a good thing... within limits.
    About the same time anybody said they wanted eugenics, or to bar unvaccinated people from any public space.

    So, apparently wanting "smaller government" doesn't mean wanting no government. Could this also mean that supporting the current vaccination system doesn't mean supporting putting the unvaccinated in some kind of leper colony?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Worry? No. Vaccinate.
    You can't vaccinate infants.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's a public health risk to not get vaccinations for diseases that at one time were wide spread. I'm sad to hear some diseases that were once almost eradicated are coming back due to people not vaccinating their children.
    Measles continue to be widespread outside the U.S. In 2011, France reported 15,000 cases.
    Most parents in this country overwhelmingly have their children vaccinated. There are few minor groups for a multiple of reasons that don't. We had an outbreak of 383 cases in Ohio this past year mainly in Amish communities that are all over Ohio. Amish people do not vaccinate. In my school district, before a child can be enrolled in public school, the parent must provide proof their child's vaccinations are up to date. Years later some require boosters and at that time they remind the parent the child's records will need to be updated.

    There was a severe outbreak in the Phillipines in 2013-14. These people entering the U.S. from Philippines the CDC claims were part of the source for the rise in number of cases in 2014. And throughout 2014 we had a huge influx of youth coming across our Southern borders from South American countries. Though the vaccination programs in many of these countries have improved greatly in recent years where 1 year olds are now being vaccinated, it hasn't been the case in years past where the majority of children were not vaccinated. There's a real good chance a child 10 years old has never been vaccinated.

    Measles | Cases and Outbreaks | CDC

    According to the CDC, the outbreak originating in Disneyland was from foreigners. All cases to date are of those who have not been vaccinated.

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    About the same time anybody said they wanted eugenics, or to bar unvaccinated people from any public space.

    So, apparently wanting "smaller government" doesn't mean wanting no government. Could this also mean that supporting the current vaccination system doesn't mean supporting putting the unvaccinated in some kind of leper colony?
    I never said that I wanted no government. Sorry. The rest is some bizarre Straw Man.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Really? Were you there back then, or it is something you read on the Internet?
    BM, if you don't care to read the research and the reporting on the virulence of the diseases and how many people died from it - even if YOU didn't know anyone - that's your problem. Most of us prefer to do the research.

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