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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The fact is that there are some good reasons for parents, at the least some parents, to intelligently question vaccine safety.

    Thank goodness you on your keyboard have no relevance to said parents intelligence or parenting skills.
    Once we as a society stop questioning and stop being skeptics about what our government or healthcare providers or doctors for that matter, tell us we need, we become sheep. You're absolutely right there are some who cannot have some vaccines due to medical or allergic reasons - there are also some who want to know exactly what is being injected into them, and why it's so absolutely imperative, as well as questioning what it is and what effects it has on us.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh look it's another one who still believes the autism lie.
    Easy to cast insults if you haven't given your child a vaccination and within hours seen adverse affects worsen until your child almost dies, or experiences other issues like seizures, brain damage or does die.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You introduce a person who has no immunity to a communicable disease....
    So that's your "everyone?" Everyone has no immunity to a communicable disease?

    Well, that's simple, vaccinate that person.

    Of course, there aren't vaccinations for every communicable disease, is there? So it would seem a person who has NO immunity to a communicable disease who goes into the public is doomed anyway, huh?

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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Once we as a society stop questioning and stop being skeptics about what our government or healthcare providers or doctors for that matter, tell us we need, we become sheep. You're absolutely right there are some who cannot have some vaccines due to medical or allergic reasons - there are also some who want to know exactly what is being injected into them, and why it's so absolutely imperative, as well as questioning what it is and what effects it has on us.
    Agreed. The thing is... we are a nation of freedom. As long as vaccination are a choice instead of mandatory I have no problem with mindless haters casting insults.

    How many children die because their parents are not good drivers? We don't see all these people demanding speed limits of 20mph, do we?
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    To many Americans the products sold by drug companies are as if pills and injections from God. Don't question them. Just pay for them and use them.

    If you don't you'll die. If you don't, you'll be depressed. If you don't, your health will collapse, you'll be crippled, suffer continuous pain and you'll be ugly.

    Oh, and disregard all the lists of warnings of side effects. Just listen to the pretty music and look at the pretty pictures while they rapidly read those off. Only believe the good things they claim the drugs will do and be certain all the side effects such as death, stroke, uncontrollable trembling, cancer, blindness, and causing desire to commit suicide doesn't apply to you. Only the good stuff applies to. All those confirmed bad effects only apply to other people.

    There is no such thing as A vaccination. There are dozens. But don't ask what they are. Don't ask how they are made. Don't ask who did the study declaring they work or that they are safe. Don't ask why. Just pay for them all and them into your kids. If not, you're evil and trying to kill everyone.

    Isn't that how the sales pitch works? To kill any debate or discuss by raging at and curse anyone who dare even question those or any drugs by any drug company.
    As anyone who has read my posts before knows I hate evil corporations and the monopolies they try and generate through public policy as much as the next guy, but you're being absolutely absurd right now. Vaccinations work, and there is no objective reason to not get vaccinations.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What did that have to do with vaccines?
    That is the thing... they do not know what is causing the rise in any of those except to say that it is 100% NOT VACCINES. No way. Couldn't happen. Never.

    When your child almost dies days after a vaccine and the adverse reactions mirror the CDC adverse reaction sheet and you ask the doctor if the vaccine might be a cause and that doctor actually laughs at you even though they just concluded that they have no idea what the actual cause was? Well, excuse independent and intelligent rational people from not wondering what the **** is going on.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    As anyone who has read my posts before knows I hate evil corporations and the monopolies they try and generate through public policy as much as the next guy, but you're being absolutely absurd right now. Vaccinations work, and there is no objective reason to not get vaccinations.
    Vaccinations do not work for 100% of the people and they are not 100% effective - there are always exceptions. And even if someone gets a vaccination for themselves or their kids, they should investigate what it is, what it's made of, what the risks are and question the doctor or other health professionals about their specific children or family members before having it. They should also consult the schools system and even legal representation if they feel strongly about the issue before either accepting or rejecting a vaccination. As already stated, there are legitimate cases where a child getting a vaccination could cause more damage than not getting it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    As anyone who has read my posts before knows I hate evil corporations and the monopolies they try and generate through public policy as much as the next guy, but you're being absolutely absurd right now. Vaccinations work, and there is no objective reason to not get vaccinations.
    For many, and perhaps even the majority, they do work. That does not mean that there are not valid objections to getting vaccinated though...
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    To many Americans the products sold by drug companies are as if pills and injections from God. Don't question them. Just pay for them and use them.

    If you don't you'll die. If you don't, you'll be depressed. If you don't, your health will collapse, you'll be crippled, suffer continuous pain and you'll be ugly.

    Oh, and disregard all the lists of warnings of side effects. Just listen to the pretty music and look at the pretty pictures while they rapidly read those off. Only believe the good things they claim the drugs will do and be certain all the side effects such as death, stroke, uncontrollable trembling, cancer, blindness, and causing desire to commit suicide doesn't apply to you. Only the good stuff applies to. All those confirmed bad effects only apply to other people.

    There is no such thing as A vaccination. There are dozens. But don't ask what they are. Don't ask how they are made. Don't ask who did the study declaring they work or that they are safe. Don't ask why. Just pay for them all and them into your kids. If not, you're evil and trying to kill everyone.

    Isn't that how the sales pitch works? To kill any debate or discuss by raging at and curse anyone who dare even question those or any drugs by any drug company.
    The only conspiracy that I believe about vaccinations is money. It is a multi-billion dollar industry and every now and then somebody foolishly wants to challenge that. Hell, why are we still driving cars that can only get 40 miles to the gallon? That is idiotic! We have the technology to have all cars drive on vegie oil for ****s sake. Some engines can apparently run on water. But big oil won't have it.
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    re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) in 1988 to compensate individuals and families of individuals injured by covered childhood vaccines.[3] The VICP was adopted in response to a scare over the pertussis portion of the DPT vaccine.[1] These claims were later generally discredited, but some U.S. lawsuits against vaccine makers won substantial awards. Most makers ceased production, and the last remaining major manufacturer threatened to do so.[1] The VICP uses a no-fault system for resolving vaccine injury claims.[1] Compensation covers medical and legal expenses, loss of future earning capacity, and up to $250,000 for pain and suffering; a death benefit of up to $250,000 is available. If certain minimal requirements are met, legal expenses are compensated even for unsuccessful claims.[4] Since 1988, the program has been funded by an excise tax of 75 cents on every purchased dose of covered vaccine. To win an award, a claimant must show a causal connection; if medical records show a child has one of several listed adverse effects soon after vaccination, the assumption is that it was caused by the vaccine. The burden of proof is the civil-law preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, in other words a showing that causation was more likely than not. Denied claims can be pursued in civil courts, though this is rare.[1]

    The VICP covers all vaccines listed on the Vaccine Injury Table maintained by the Secretary of Health and Human Services; in 2007 the list included vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), polio, hepatitis B, varicella (chicken pox), Haemophilus influenzae type b, rotavirus, and pneumonia.[5] From 1988 until 8 January 2008, 5,263 claims relating to autism, and 2,865 non-autism claims, were made to the VICP. 925 of these claims, one autism-related (see previous rulings), were compensated, with 1,158 non-autism and 350 autism claims dismissed; awards (including attorney's fees) totaled $847 million.[6] The VICP also applies to claims for injuries suffered before 1988; there were 4,264 of these claims of which 1,189 were compensated with awards totaling $903 million.[6]

    Vaccine court - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There have been over 2,000 judgments related to vaccinations totaling over $1.7 billion under federal law. It is nice that the government covers the liabilities of the mega rich drug companies concerning the totally safe, never could harm anyone vaccinations they sell for BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars each year

    The government should do this for every company, actually for all of us. If anyone sues anyone of us for any wrongful action, the government pays the judgment. The government really should have paid BP's damages too. It's only fair, huh?

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